View Full Version : Jeff's Return
Wolfie
11-05-2006, 10:43 PM
I just want to get an idea of how many people think Jeff's story should be continued in Saw IV, or in the least accept it.
A lot of people are suggesting it while I think it's a terrible idea.
I disliked Jeff so I wouldn't want him back in S4, unless he's done with very quickly in the first few minutes.
MuffinMcFluffin
11-05-2006, 11:10 PM
I just want to get an idea of how many people think Jeff's story should be continued in Saw IV, or in the least accept it.
A lot of people are suggesting it while I think it's a terrible idea.
Well, I guess you and I both already know one rather large reason as to why he shouldn't make a return, but then I just have my 'trilogy' rules state all of the other reasons.
He is done, along with his daughter. I know it seems sad to say, but it's how it should be.
Detective Eric Matthews
11-05-2006, 11:30 PM
I didnt particularly like, or find Jeff all that interesting of a character.
So no. Unless he returns as a corpse (like Adam in SAW II), no way would I like to see him return. As I believe Jigsaw should atleast have been successful in his last game, and that means Jeff's a dead man by IV.
Deadgauge
11-05-2006, 11:38 PM
Yeah Jeff's done for, observing his actions a fourth time whilst rewatching the third film. It became obvious that he wanted Timothy Young to die in his trap, like he had shot the judge on purpose. Probably why it showed a closeup of the Judge's face seemingly shocked or realising something. Or perhaps this is just me hallucinating.
Makenna
11-06-2006, 08:01 AM
I dont exactly want him back in the 4th.
Jackal
11-06-2006, 08:16 AM
The thing about the Saw movies is that they don't really stick with the same character as the main plot and there is a pattern of the previous character's story overlapping but not featured in the next film.
Saw: Adam and Dr. Gordon
Saw 2 : Eric Matthews
Saw 3 : Jeff and Lynn
My guess is the most they will do is touch upon Jeff's prediciment but it won't be what the movie is really about and there will be new characters introduced again.
That is assuming they don't do a prequel.
i think he's gonna be the main charactar in saw IV.
Peter
11-06-2006, 10:54 AM
I "hmmmmmmm-ed" and "hahhhhhhhhhhh-ed" about this choice over and over a few times, but since the topics title is about "Jeff's" character, then my answer is ultimately no.
Jeff played a significant role in Saw III, but his character is not subject to the whole Saw story, or what we know as the Saw story up until now. In fact there are very few characters that make up the whole Saw story, anfd taking out Dr. Gordon, in Saw III we seen what ultimately happened to all those characters in Saw III.
In saying that though, i just have to say at this point that i love Angus Macfayden and his work. Im not going to deny that his role in Saw III certainly wasnt an oscar winner, but he is an absolutely possionate man, and a great character actor. His role in Braveheart will always be my favourite, as not only does it demonstrate his acting abilities, but also his passion for not just acting but how proud he is of his nationality and heritage as a Scotsman.
MuffinMcFluffin
11-06-2006, 11:32 AM
Brock Manson, Claic Yuzolt, dannymac, deko, Jackal, mr.noname, and mysterious mongoose... I'd personally like to hear your reasons as to why you would like to see Jeff in Saw IV. I mean really... what are your points about the third one's end that makes you want it, as opposed to disregarding him and ending his story (and Amanda's, of course) as the end of a trilogy.
Furthermore, with your want for Jeff to return, do you guys also (in present time) want John and/or Amanda to return? And again... how come or how so? I've listed my reasons many-a-times (hope you've read them). Any rebuttles? I'd just like to know people's reasons for wanting these returns, especially after certain death (and after he's already failed his game).
Dr_Gonzo
11-06-2006, 11:40 AM
The way I see it, he played the game and failed horribly, killing Amanda, John, Lynn, and his daughter. I don't see why he should be moving on. Think about it, how many people have failed Jigsaw's games and continued on? He's dead where he stands.
SaintRockA
11-06-2006, 11:55 AM
Fuck Jeff... He's boring...
OhYeStHeReWiLlBeBlOoD
11-06-2006, 12:44 PM
So no. Unless he returns as a corpse (like Adam in SAW II), no way would I like to see him return. As I believe Jigsaw should atleast have been successful in his last game, and that means Jeff's a dead man by IV.
Yeah same here however I did like his character but there is no were to go with it.:cool:
Jeff is actually my favorite victim out of the victims. (I'm betting everyone would disagree with this but oh well :P) :cool:
smo_go1
11-06-2006, 02:01 PM
i want to see jeff return because he could get out of the lair piss easy but i don't wanna see him come back as jigsaw for whatever reason and if he does i will scream
gadgetfusion
11-06-2006, 02:20 PM
I personally want to see him only briefly, with him trying to find his daughter, or maybe just a short shot of where the daughter was the whole time or something small and quick. Jeff and his daughter should only return briefly, I want Saw IV to be a prequel to answer unanswered questions and to only BRIEFLY touch what happened to Jeff and his daughter.
Wolfie
11-06-2006, 03:15 PM
The thing about the Saw movies is that they don't really stick with the same character as the main plot and there is a pattern of the previous character's story overlapping but not featured in the next film.
Saw: Adam and Dr. Gordon
Saw 2 : Eric Matthews
Saw 3 : Jeff and Lynn
My guess is the most they will do is touch upon Jeff's prediciment but it won't be what the movie is really about and there will be new characters introduced again.
That is assuming they don't do a prequel.
Exactly. That's how the good horror series do it, really. They all occasionally have a return of a previous character (Nancy in ANOES, Kirsty in Hellraiser, Tommy in F13), but when they make it revolve around the same characters too often, it becomes the standard of the series.
I Know What You Did Last Summer, Scream, and Final Destination set themselves up like that. They could either stick with the same cast or be shrugged off as "having nothing to do with the others." I'm sure a lot of you liked FD3 but it suffered the lack of connection. They at least needed Tony Todd to return as the coroner.
Saw did a good job by not making the audience too used to any characters, other than Jigsaw. All three movies have little to do with each other, as Saw IV should too.
And I don't have anything against Jeff. He was a good character for one movie. But he lost just like Dr. Gordon, Adam, Det. Matthews. It's time for some new characters for Saw IV.
xamandayoungx
11-19-2006, 09:45 PM
I couldn't care less about Jeff. His character was God-awful, in my opinion. Not only did he manage to kill everyone, but he learned nothing in the process. The only thing he does right is prove Amanda's point: no one changes. Other than that, he's a completely worthless character - worse than Eric Matthews, who I couldn't stand either.
I couldn't care less about Jeff. His character was God-awful, in my opinion. Not only did he manage to kill everyone, but he learned nothing in the process. The only thing he does right is prove Amanda's point: no one changes. Other than that, he's a completely worthless character - worse than Eric Matthews, who I couldn't stand either.
Same here, except Eric is one of my favorite characters after Amanda. But I agree that Jeff was completely unlikeable and unsympathetic and a character who I couldn't care any less about.
Cary Elwe's Career
11-20-2006, 06:08 AM
Its a debate between Cary and Angus who was the worst actor in the Saw series. Cary was so bad that i loved Dr. Gordon, Angus just pretty muched sucked and i hated Jeff. Please be dead!!!!!
Brad182
11-20-2006, 06:16 AM
ehh i would like to know what is goin to happen to him but really i don't care to much
Dr_Gonzo
11-20-2006, 06:56 AM
Jeff's done for... and I'm glad he's dead. He was a dumbass...
The Grudge Possible
11-20-2006, 09:26 AM
I despised Jeff more than Detective Matthews and fuckin' Kerry combined. He was a selfish, caught-up-in-the-past twat and he failed all of his tests miserably. He learned nothing from his experiences. And, on top of that, he raped John's neck with a razor.
So, no, I have no desire to see him come back.
But I would like to know what happens to his poor little daughter... I felt really bad for her. D:
Jerecaine
11-20-2006, 05:45 PM
I know it's weird, but I say yes. Reason being, he's the closest person to how I would act in his situation. Acting I could care less about
FirstBlood1982
11-20-2006, 05:48 PM
MacFadyen is the best actor in the series sans Shawnee and Tobin, none the less I'm not sure if I'm interested in him coming back.
I'd like SAW IV to be a new story rather than Jeff searching for his daughter being a central element.
OhYeStHeReWiLlBeBlOoD
11-20-2006, 05:50 PM
I dont want it to continue over connecting 2,3 and 4 but I wouldn't mind flashbacks to see what happens with Jeff and Corbett....
Woo-hoo I think I'm Jeff's number one fan!!1 wooo! :cool:
Dr_Gonzo
11-21-2006, 09:38 AM
Woo-hoo I think I'm Jeff's number one fan!!1 wooo! :cool:
I think you're Jeff's ONLY fan... lol
OhYeStHeReWiLlBeBlOoD
11-21-2006, 10:42 AM
I think you're Jeff's ONLY fan... lol
lmao how true.
Cary Elwe's Career
11-21-2006, 11:15 AM
angus might be the best actor on paper, but his performance was laughable.
Fuck Jeff, hope he dies miserably.
angus might be the best actor on paper, but his performance was laughable.
Fuck Jeff, hope he dies miserably.
I personally don't blame Angus for how Jeff turned out, it doesn't help S3 was pretty terribly written and gave Angus nothing to do with the character (IMO). But I agree that Jeff was a terrible character and one I'm hoping doesn't return.
twisted_memories
11-21-2006, 02:59 PM
I think for them to have a Saw IV they need to bring him back, at least to finish his story, if not the transition from III to IV wouldn't be very smooth. However if Saw IV revolves around him trying to find his daughter... well, that could suck very bad.
But I would rather not have to see him at all, because I'd rather them not have a Saw IV... end it at III, all good things come in 3s
FirstBlood1982
11-21-2006, 04:18 PM
It wasn't terribly written at all nor was the performance remotely laughable. When Danica tells him to look at her and he looks up as his face goes from bitter and uncaring to compassionate as he has to watch her suffer, the heartbreak on his face when he has to burn his sons possessions, and his reaction to how the final test turned out were perfect; as for the writing, there's alot to learn from the characters mistakes about what happens when you let something consume you.
The Grudge Possible
11-21-2006, 07:28 PM
I, too, thought his performance as Jeff was actually, for the most part dynamic and quite nicely done; I just hate him for not really changing at all.
And I thought SAW III was written quite well...
xamandayoungx
11-22-2006, 05:17 AM
Same here. I didn't think Saw III was poorly written at all, nor did I think that Angus did a bad good. On the contrary, I thought he was very good.
I just don't like his character.
The Grudge Possible
11-22-2006, 07:03 AM
I just don't like his character.
That's 'cause he's a cumdumpster!
I just get angry that he had so much potential to change and turn his life around and instead he just threw it away. He proves Amanda's point so perfectly.
I just get angry that he had so much potential to change and turn his life around and instead he just threw it away. He proves Amanda's point so perfectly.
Exactly, Jeff didn't change one bit and if anything he just got worse, now that he's responsible for some deaths.
xamandayoungx
11-22-2006, 09:28 AM
Exactly, Jeff didn't change one bit and if anything he just got worse, now that he's responsible for some deaths.
Oh, I know. Not only did he kill the three people he met along his tests, but he also killed Amanda, (indirectly) Lynn, John, and (indirectly) his daughter and himself (if you're going on the idea he lost his final game and he and his daughter will die).
Jeff's failure only further proves Amanda's point that John's games changed nobody and only made them worse than before. Jeff's a murderer because of what he went through during his test.
OhYeStHeReWiLlBeBlOoD
11-22-2006, 03:19 PM
Oh, I know. Not only did he kill the three people he met along his tests, but he also killed Amanda, (indirectly) Lynn, John, and (indirectly) his daughter and himself (if you're going on the idea he lost his final game and he and his daughter will die).
lmao, Jeff didn't kill I forget her name... Denica nor did he kill Tim. Now while Jeff didn't change to say no one learned anything is true however it could be that Jigsaw himself is right. No one has the will to survive.
Novus
11-22-2006, 10:44 PM
I wasn't exactly a huge fan of Jeff in general despite the actor playing the character extremely well and all. There was just something about him that was not very appealing to me which is why I don't really want to see him in the 4th installment.
Sure if its just to end his um...game once and for all but other then that I don't really wish for him to have such a major part this time around.
hangman_joe
11-22-2006, 11:07 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing Jeff in the next film, so long as he dies... Call me cynical, but I thought he was an interesting character, but ought to of died.
I'd enjoy it if the next movie went something like this, although several will no doubt disagree:
A detective and his team uncover Jigsaw's last known warehouse, where they find numerous corpses: Jigsaw, Amanda, and an unidentifyable woman who's head's been blasted away. They also find Jeff, who is stuck in some sort of device, slowly bleeding to death. They play a tape and find that each game he accomplishes, in a series of five tests, wins his daughter more oxygen, and will eventually reveal her location. If he fails, then he dies, and his daughter is set to eventually die of suffocation. Jeff, only on the second test, bleeds to death, and the detective is forced to begin the game in an attempt to save Corbett. His/her team searches the warehouse, but find numerous rooms that lock and launch into a security lockdown on that particular room, only opening if another test is won inside the room. Meanwhile, a reporter also manages to sneak into the crime scene with her camera man to learn more about "The Jigsaw Killer: The Man Behind the Puzzle". This is how we learn more about Jigsaw, and in the end, the reporter, who barely survives a trap of her own, begins showing disturbed signs of admiration towards him, walking away as the only other survivor with Corbett.
BeatrixKiddo
11-22-2006, 11:23 PM
I'm not that keen of Jeff returning, but if he does and they manage to pull it off, that's great!
daysofourlives
11-23-2006, 01:00 AM
. dont really want Jeff to return, bring Back Jiggy!!!! LOL :)
DeFrikandellenkoning
11-24-2006, 02:55 AM
Jeff was locked in as the doors slammed shut at the ending of Saw 3
I hope he dies in there because he just hasn't learned anything of his games.
Live or Die, make your choice, Jeff did.. and it turned against him.
jIIIgsaw
11-24-2006, 08:57 AM
given saw IV is not a prequal...jeff probabaly will die unless he manages to find his daughter which is unlikely
SiCk aNd TWiStED
11-26-2006, 04:48 PM
I'm not that keen of Jeff returning, but if he does and they manage to pull it off, that's great!
I have to agree with you. I really don't like the idea of Jeff returning. The only way that I can see him coming back is dying in the opening scene (not sure how much I like that idea) or in a flashback, such as a cop finding his body and explaing how it happened, like in saw 1.
RainX
11-26-2006, 05:49 PM
I disliked Jeff, i don't really know why to be honest, but there is something about him i just find irratating!
I believe he will be in SAW IV, no doubt about it my opinion, i mean he has to find his daughter right?
Kass44
11-27-2006, 09:14 AM
I voted he should return...as a corpse that is. I believe he should be like the detective Matthews and have a brief moment, to allow viewers to see how he died. However it would be sad since his daughter would die, she really didn't do anything wrong.
Rainbow_Randolph
11-27-2006, 07:39 PM
How did Jeff get locked in? Were the doors controlled by John's heart rate monitor like Lynn's collar? Because if they were, then maybe Jeff could try putting the chest strap of the monitor over his own and see if that opens up the doors. Maybe, I don't know about heart rate monitors and all that.
Comrade_Snarky
11-28-2006, 09:06 AM
As long as he isn't a main character, and as long as IV doesn't pick up directly where III ends, I won't be annoyed. Assuming I even go see this movie, who knows.
And for the record I liked Jeff, and wish he made better decisions. His life was obviously pretty fucked up when John threw him into his game, I think that's mostly why he failed so damn hard. I don't understand why so many people hate him, but eh, whatever. I don't understand why anyone likes Matthews either. To each his own I guess.
KoLAddict
12-02-2006, 06:01 PM
I personally believe that, assuming Saw IV isn't a prequel, they should start Saw IV off like they started Saw III off, and show what happens to Jeff. But I don't believe that he should be the main character in the movie.
Personally, I am thinking Saw IV is going to pick up right where Saw III left, because, they left questions unanswered. Like, what was Jigsaw pouring wax on while he was chatting with Amanda? Why was he pouring wax on it?
I believe it should be a prequel though. Ideally it would be a prequel taking place after Saw but before Saw II. Maybe even showing what happened to Dr. Gordon (even if they can't get Cary Elwes to do it, they could use back shots to show him crawling). Even if it was simply Jigsaw coming out of the bathroom and killing him, I'd like to know what ultimately happened to him.
Icon of Sin
12-03-2006, 07:06 PM
I lked Jeff in the last one but from the way his character was going I dont think he should be in the next one. However I do want to know what happened to him. I dont want it to go unexplained like Dr. Gordon has.
Gordon is still alive btw. Just FYI :D
SuperBrickDude
12-03-2006, 07:12 PM
I lked Jeff in the last one but from the way his character was going I dont think he should be in the next one. However I do want to know what happened to him. I dont want it to go unexplained like Dr. Gordon has.
Gordon is still alive btw. Just FYI :D
Prove it, senor.
goodbyetonight
12-03-2006, 07:20 PM
Senor. Lmao. That made me laugh for some reason. :D
Jeff is just a big piece of boob and doesn't need to come back. He was a damn fool.
SuperBrickDude
12-03-2006, 07:52 PM
Senor. Lmao. That made me laugh for some reason. :D
Jeff is just a big piece of boob and doesn't need to come back. He was a damn fool.
I don't even know why I said it...lol.
Jeff is dead. And deserves death!
OhYeStHeReWiLlBeBlOoD
12-04-2006, 12:37 PM
Senor. Lmao. That made me laugh for some reason. :D
Jeff is just a big piece of boob and doesn't need to come back. He was a damn fool.
maybe so... maybe so... but he pwned Amanda!!! :p
goodbyetonight
12-04-2006, 12:40 PM
maybe so... maybe so... but he pwned Amanda!!! :p
Amanda's cooler than him any day. ;)
Cary Elwe's Career
12-05-2006, 06:57 AM
well i just watched saw 3 again and i actually found it better the second time. ive totally changed my opinion about the whole movie and i might like it better than the second one. it was a good movie but i think it really had the potential to be great. o yea i still hate jeff though, kill his ass in 4.
Cary Elwe's Career
12-05-2006, 06:59 AM
and i've come to the conclusion that it was angus' performance that was laughable... it was bahar's, man she sucked
OhYeStHeReWiLlBeBlOoD
12-05-2006, 08:50 AM
and i've come to the conclusion that it was angus' performance that was laughable... it was bahar's, man she sucked
:eek:
You thought his acting in Saw III sucked?!?!?! :eek:
everyone has their opinions... I guess...
SiCk aNd TWiStED
12-07-2006, 02:12 PM
Jeff is dead. And deserves death!
Yeah, the only way I want to see Jeff in IV is as a corpse or dieing in the opening scene, that would be funny :D
FirstBlood1982
12-07-2006, 02:40 PM
and i've come to the conclusion that it was angus' performance that was laughable... it was bahar's, man she sucked
She didn't suck, she just sucked by comparison because Tobin, Shawnee, and Angus are so damn good.
The shift in her expression when Jigsaw starts bringing up touchy subjects to her and her heartbreak and fear as her situation deteorates more and more (especially during the finale while Amanda is aiming the gun at her) were quite good.
FirstBlood1982
12-07-2006, 02:43 PM
maybe so... maybe so... but he pwned Amanda!!! :p
Suddenly walking into a room and shooting someone in the throat isn't owning them; suprising maybe, not owning.
BTW I'm watching Braveheart right now, MacFadyen should've won best supporting actor that year.
OhYeStHeReWiLlBeBlOoD
12-08-2006, 11:06 AM
Suddenly walking into a room and shooting someone in the throat isn't owning them; suprising maybe, not owning.
Meh...
BTW I'm watching Braveheart right now, MacFadyen should've won best supporting actor that year.
Damn straight! :cool:
However the Academy sucks anyways... crash winning best picture... wtf...
xamandayoungx
12-08-2006, 11:43 AM
Damn straight! :cool:
However the Academy sucks anyways... crash winning best picture... wtf...
I don't know about that. I mean, I saw Crash and I thought that it was amazing; it really struck a chord in me.
. . . And the fact that Bahar Soomekh's in it doesn't influence my opinion . . . ;)
But, yeah. I don't think just coming into a room and shooting someone in the neck qualifies as 'pwning' them, simply because, well, that doesn't take any special talent or skill.
OhYeStHeReWiLlBeBlOoD
12-08-2006, 11:49 AM
I don't know about that. I mean, I saw Crash and I thought that it was amazing; it really struck a chord in me.
. . . And the fact that Bahar Soomekh's in it doesn't influence my opinion . . . ;)
But, yeah. I don't think just coming into a room and shooting someone in the neck qualifies as 'pwning' them, simply because, well, that doesn't take any special talent or skill.
Well if Jeff BOOM! HEADSHOT! (Pure Pwange anyone?) her then Amanda definitely would of been pwned.
But anyways, don't get me wrong Crash was good (not great) but all the characters ( except for maybe 2 out of 12) were racist, and the pushed the racist card throughout the whole movie. And it seems to me all Paul Haggis (and Co)wanted was an Oscar which is what he got... IMO.
Back on topic... Jeff still killed Amanda. :p
FirstBlood1982
12-08-2006, 05:05 PM
Owning someone is showing that you're better than them., killing someone doesn't necessarily meaning owning them...
and Crash (which I haven't seen) aside, the Oscars suck in general. They're blatantly biased toward sappy dramas, and the vast majority of their nominees are terrible.
goodbyetonight
12-08-2006, 05:58 PM
Back on topic... Jeff still killed Amanda. :p
Yes, but Jeff is still a dumbass. :p
i hate jeff
he was a complete fuckin dumbass
c'mon ppl he killed jigsaw & amanda
OhYeStHeReWiLlBeBlOoD
12-09-2006, 06:47 AM
Yes, but Jeff is still a dumbass. :p
Yes, but Jeff still has his pulse. :p
FirstBlood1982
12-09-2006, 08:09 AM
Yeah, which means he gets to be left in a room to slowly rot.:)
OhYeStHeReWiLlBeBlOoD
12-09-2006, 08:23 AM
lmao... he could get out... I mean he is Angus MacFadyen. :D
Wolfie
12-09-2006, 03:35 PM
Wow, the poll's at a tie.... 34 - 34.
To those that suggest Jeff lives and becomes the main character in the fourth movie, remember that before now, when Jigsaw said, "Game over," he meant it! This would be the first time someone lost the game and still survived.
hangman_joe
12-09-2006, 03:54 PM
Even after he says "Game over", he gives them chances to escape. Like all Adam had to do was saw his foot off and leave. That's what Eric did, and Jigsaw was mad at Amanda for leaving him to rot instead of wiping the slate clean. I hope Jeff survives...
FirstBlood1982
12-09-2006, 05:46 PM
As much as I love MacFadyen there's way in hell Jeff should be the centerpiece of SAW IV, but that doesn't mean he can't be in it.
I think he's pretty much a goner whether he rotted in that room, or dies shortly into SAW IV in another game.
KoLAddict
12-09-2006, 06:10 PM
Personally, I think Saw IV will be a sequel instead of a prequel (although I would rather see a prequel).
That said, I'm sure if it is a sequel, it will probably do something similar to what happened in Saw III, where it will start out at the end of the first one and go from there. So, I'm hoping it opens up with Jeff discovering a tape for the second game, to find his daughter. Then he can fail, die, and the story can progress from there.
Jigsaw<3
12-11-2006, 11:57 AM
I think that since Jeff didn't die, or at least not in the last movie-that maybe he should appear in the next one just so they can fill in the gaps. They did that very well in the third with Eric Matthews, I think it makes the movie complete.
Cary Elwe's Career
12-12-2006, 06:38 AM
i was thinking since jeff was so hell bent on making people pay for his son's death that maybe the 4th one would start out by making him play a game where he has to pay for his child's survival... meaning he has to sacrifice himself in order for his daughter to survive.
Kanten
12-12-2006, 08:34 AM
To those that suggest Jeff lives and becomes the main character in the fourth movie, remember that before now, when Jigsaw said, "Game over," he meant it! This would be the first time someone lost the game and still survived.
Correct me if I wrong, but wasn't Amanda the only one who got the "Game Over" in Saw III? I'm pretty sure John's final line was "If you're going to find her, you'll have to play a game."
Doesn't sound all that conclusive to be honest. As a main character, extremely doubtful, but I don't completely discount Jeff having any part in this incredibly unfortunate sequel.
Sheryl
12-12-2006, 11:51 AM
For me it does not matter.. but Jeff stayd alive in saw 3 so I guess he must be in the next part....
goodbyetonight
12-12-2006, 01:17 PM
Amanda should lock Jeff in the bathroom and make his game be to suck Adam's corpse-wang. That way everybody wins. ;)
:eek:
Personally I just want Jeff dead so he can be done with, what an awful character.
goodbyetonight
12-12-2006, 02:16 PM
Same here, I was just kidding with that last comment. Though it'd be pretty funny. :o
It'd be freaking nasty and gross to say the least :eek:
goodbyetonight
12-12-2006, 02:20 PM
He deserves it, the dumbass. :D
He does, but I would just want to see him die right away and be done with.
goodbyetonight
12-12-2006, 02:30 PM
We can only hope that's what happens.
Same here. Jeff's a terrible character IMO.
SiCk aNd TWiStED
12-12-2006, 02:45 PM
He does, but I would just want to see him die right away and be done with.
That's the only way I can be happy with Jeff's return.
xamandayoungx
12-12-2006, 03:25 PM
He does, but I would just want to see him die right away and be done with.
Yeah, agreed as well.
Wolfie
12-12-2006, 11:47 PM
He does, but I would just want to see him die right away and be done with.
Only acceptable way, like Detective Matthews.
hangman_joe
12-12-2006, 11:53 PM
I can't help but notice that the people on this thread are just repeating themselves... over and over and over... and over.
"I want him dead".
Of course everyone wants him dead! I wouldn't mind him returning, for like, an opening trap (Like Michael in Saw II), and to have someone else try and find his daughter, breaking into a prequal, and a sequal at once. Part of the movie shows Jigsaw plotting the traps for Saw III and leading up to the daughter's hiding place, while in the present, a team of officials are attempting to find Corbett (the daughter) while falling under numerous traps themselves...
KillerZavatar
04-14-2007, 02:02 PM
He should play a role like Eric Matthews in Saw III and of course for him a really special trap at the end... at the end means not at the end of Saw IV, it means after he had done anything in the film. He shouldn't die in the first scene before the film starts, but shouldn't life the whole time either^^
sawtrap
04-14-2007, 02:33 PM
I only wanted him to return for a little while, so he could save his daughter and then he should die soon after.
StateOfDistress
04-14-2007, 02:53 PM
I only wanted him to return for a little while, so he could save his daughter and then he should die soon after.
Agreed. Or even if he doesn't save his daughter they should just show what happened to him and Corbett, not center a whole movie around it.
Stiffy
04-14-2007, 03:56 PM
I would like him to die.
goodbyetonight
04-14-2007, 04:04 PM
I would like him to die.
As would I.
KillerZavatar
04-14-2007, 04:10 PM
Yes, but it should be a grotesque, abnormal and distressful death. It should be a special death. =)
Something that stay in mind...
Stiffy
04-14-2007, 04:16 PM
I wonder how Angus feels, knowing that his character was probably the most hated, ahaha.
Oh noes.
goodbyetonight
04-14-2007, 04:23 PM
I wonder how Angus feels, knowing that his character was probably the most hated, ahaha.
Oh noes.
Lmao, well I don't think it would be that surprising for him seeing as how his character killed the 2 most popular ones. He couldn't have expected people to love Jeff. I'm sure he could care less what people think anyways.
KillerZavatar
04-14-2007, 04:34 PM
I wonder how Angus feels, knowing that his character was probably the most hated, ahaha.
Oh noes.
I think you're right. many people hate him because he kill Jigsaw and Amanda. I doesn't think so, i think he was that in Saw3 what Zep was in Saw1 and Xavier in Saw2. He was only a incalculably person who follows his feelings like hate and vengeance. that he kill Amanda and jigsaw was one of the possibilities of his game, but that was enough in Saw 3, in Saw 4 I don't want him all the time...
cinlister
04-15-2007, 04:28 AM
Okay, jeff's daughter is somewhere.
I have no doubt that there has to be a third person in on this. Because Amanda had no idea of the marriage or the daughter being held captive. Jigsaw was to weak and bedridden to kidnap her.
Hense, one of the survivors from the previous ones has helped.
My bet is Dr. G, some of you may disagree, but, someone had to attatch carrie's ribs into the machine, And because jigsaw wouldn't put it together himself becasue he is sick he couldnt have. And from the previous movies amanda seems afraid of surgery.
Any one agree?
KillerZavatar
04-15-2007, 06:54 AM
Hense, one of the survivors from the previous ones has helped.
My bet is Dr. G, some of you may disagree, but, someone had to attatch carrie's ribs into the machine, And because jigsaw wouldn't put it together himself becasue he is sick he couldnt have.
In a way you are right, only a doctor can put the key behind michaels eyes, too... But Lawrence Gordon? i think there is s.th hidden to see in the puzzle, but doctor gordon? i think not...
AlligatorSoren
04-23-2007, 06:00 PM
Hmm I want to see Jeff in SAW IV... Cause he's not done playing his game yet.. He still has to find his daughter... But don't worry, I don't want the whole movie to be about him... I just want to see if he gets his daughter back and what kind of game Jigsaw has made for him to play...
hangman_joe
04-23-2007, 08:25 PM
Hmm I want to see Jeff in SAW IV... Cause he's not done playing his game yet.. He still has to find his daughter... But don't worry, I don't want the whole movie to be about him... I just want to see if he gets his daughter back and what kind of game Jigsaw has made for him to play...
Well, score, apparently he is returning, according one of the new threads.
Jigsaw13
04-23-2007, 08:30 PM
Foolish move but one that may inevitably pay off and make the franchise even better...I have faith in the staff...just so long as Jeff doesn't walk down hallways for 5 min at a time I'm good...the verdict is still out and judgement will come after the movie comes out..interesting....
justagirl_
04-23-2007, 08:45 PM
I disliked Jeff so I wouldn't want him back in S4, unless he's done with very quickly in the first few minutes.
I agree.
If he was to come back, it should only be because we get to see him die.
He should be punished for being an idiot. :)
hangman_joe
04-24-2007, 04:22 PM
As I said on another thread:
I don't understand why people want Eric and Lawrence's story finished, but they don't want Jeff's finished. I hated Eric's character, and Lawrence kinda bored me, as did Jeff. But I think they should at least finish two of the stories...
And with Elwes' lawsuit, I can't see his character returning, so I would want Jeff's finished up. I don't wanna have him as the opening character who dies instantly while looking for his daughter, I want him at least as a subplot if they're going to have him at all. Why have a quick glimpse of a sloppy finish as a follow-up of the third movie? That'd be a little lame in my opinion. That'd be like showing Jigsaw leave the bathroom after locking Adam up, and shooting Lawrence. I know he wouldn't, but the way I see it, it just wouldn't do the character (or the climax) justice.
KillerZavatar
05-19-2007, 06:03 AM
As I said on another thread:
I don't understand why people want Eric and Lawrence's story finished, but they don't want Jeff's finished. I hated Eric's character, and Lawrence kinda bored me, as did Jeff. But I think they should at least finish two of the stories...
And with Elwes' lawsuit, I can't see his character returning, so I would want Jeff's finished up. I don't wanna have him as the opening character who dies instantly while looking for his daughter, I want him at least as a subplot if they're going to have him at all. Why have a quick glimpse of a sloppy finish as a follow-up of the third movie? That'd be a little lame in my opinion. That'd be like showing Jigsaw leave the bathroom after locking Adam up, and shooting Lawrence. I know he wouldn't, but the way I see it, it just wouldn't do the character (or the climax) justice.
yeah, i think nearly the same. I want jeff not at the beginning and maybe in Saw IV a few scenes in between the story of him and at the end there is a twist, where he is in, but then he should die to end his story ;)
Nousagi
05-20-2007, 10:10 AM
I don't want him to return,
but where else can they go with the movie?
Are they just going to switch to a whole new person, with a new plot, ect. and leave Jeffs' out there in the open?
No.
That wouldn't make any sense.
And god damn it, I don't want a prequel.
Renthead
05-20-2007, 10:46 AM
I don't want him back in Saw4
sawtrap
05-20-2007, 11:09 AM
I only want him to return for a little while, long enough to save his daughter, after that he needs to die, but his death needs to be well written.
amandagotskillz
05-20-2007, 12:56 PM
Jeff is the one I hate the most out of all of the 3 movies...but he needs to come back to save his daughter. After that, he had better be the first one to die. If he lives through the whole movie, I'll be so pissed cause no one likes him.
sawtrap
05-20-2007, 12:58 PM
Jeff is the one I hate the most out of all of the 3 movies...but he needs to come back to save his daughter. After that, he had better be the first one to die. If he lives through the whole movie, I'll be so pissed cause no one likes him.I agree 100%.
hangman_joe
05-20-2007, 01:08 PM
I only want him to return for a little while, long enough to save his daughter, after that he needs to die, but his death needs to be well written.
Jeff is the one I hate the most out of all of the 3 movies...but he needs to come back to save his daughter. After that, he had better be the first one to die. If he lives through the whole movie, I'll be so pissed cause no one likes him.
Why have a quick glimpse of a sloppy finish as a follow-up of the third movie?
JigSaw7
05-20-2007, 07:00 PM
Jeff is the one I hate the most out of all of the 3 movies...but he needs to come back to save his daughter. After that, he had better be the first one to die. If he lives through the whole movie, I'll be so pissed cause no one likes him.
Um, speak for yourself. Why don't you take a look at the poll in this thread buddy. Its pretty much 50/50 so looks like not everyone hates Jeff.
Good job though.
KillerZavatar
05-21-2007, 09:44 AM
Jeff is the one I hate the most out of all of the 3 movies...but he needs to come back to save his daughter. After that, he had better be the first one to die. If he lives through the whole movie, I'll be so pissed cause no one likes him.
yeah, i think most Amanda-fans like him, but he was not more and not less then a pawn in the game like most other characters, too. i think most hate him because he killed Jigsaw and/or Amanda.
Zandorv1037
05-21-2007, 09:50 AM
I want to see him come back.. and then I want him to die horribly. Jeff was one of my least favorite characters...
SAWesome89
05-21-2007, 12:02 PM
I didn't really dislike Jeff that much I mean, tbh given if I were under the same circumstances, I probably would have done a lot of things similar to what he did. (Though, I would like to think that I would react a little quicker to help the ppl in the traps)
sawtrap
05-21-2007, 12:12 PM
Um, speak for yourself. Why don't you take a look at the poll in this thread buddy. Its pretty much 50/50 so looks like not everyone hates Jeff.
Good job though.Some of the people who want him to return want to see him either save his daughter, die a horrible death, or both. I want both. That's why I want to see him return.
hangman_joe
05-21-2007, 01:38 PM
I cannot understand why so many people want to watch a two-minute beginning that simply shows Jeff saving his daughter and then dying. This is the guy that killed Jigsaw! And yes, killed Amanda! I think he's earned more screen time and action than saving his daughter before dying. Plus, we've only seen him being slow and vengeful due to his first tests. There must be more to him than that, which I hope we'll see. I wanna see a lot more than him returning briefly to die.
XLucidJesterx
06-03-2007, 08:47 PM
Im really not understanding how everyones wanting him back for a quick death and to be done with. Say hes in the opening credits and dies 10 minutes in. where does the movie go from there?? to a brand new plot with a new cast everyone will come to hate come saw 5? A main plot focused on such a likeable actor as Scott Patterson? or focusing on the cops prospective? Its better and is thankfully the case that jeff is the main focus. The posibbilitys for what jigsaw has set up for him is endless, Maybe more dungeoun like obstacles where instead of watching someone else go through, he will be faced with his own life threating situations, The twist could be incredible. The whole factory is part of a sewage facility, maybe he will come up to the imfamous bathroom. maybe the main charactors from all 3 movies will finally cross paths.. I Do not want a new plot with new charactors. maybe 5 but for now lets end and close every charactors fate. jeffs, Erics and just maybe dr gordons.
Awesome-O
06-04-2007, 04:03 AM
I didn't really dislike Jeff that much I mean, tbh given if I were under the same circumstances, I probably would have done a lot of things similar to what he did. (Though, I would like to think that I would react a little quicker to help the ppl in the traps)
yeah thats the way i feel about him
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