View Full Version : So yeah,,the end is near...
hotleighandcostas
05-07-2008, 05:03 PM
The end of the Saw franchise, that is. Probably not that far off. So my question to you guys is this: what would be the most kick-ass way to end the series? What would be the best end twist to the series that could possibly compete with Saw?
That's something that's open to debate and something that's hard to think of. One thing that's for sure is that the final twist of the series will have to be one that the fans will never expect or see coming, and something that concludes the series in a way that ties up the loose ends and leaves that shocked feeling on the viewers for a long time.
FirstBlood1982
05-07-2008, 05:07 PM
I doubt that we're anywhere near the end.
Christine
05-07-2008, 05:08 PM
I just want it to wrap up in the bathroom somehow.
FirstBlood1982
05-07-2008, 05:53 PM
I think that I'd prefer it ending with someone actually becoming a better person.
Yodasaffa
05-07-2008, 06:14 PM
I think that I'd prefer it ending with someone actually becoming a better person.
So would I. I am tired of the "Screw You" tape at the end of the films. How about a "You Win!" tape for once?
It might be the most unexpected thing they could do!
hotleighandcostas
05-07-2008, 07:07 PM
You guys make great points. They could easily leave everyone dead in the final installment. But what would be more interesting and whatnot would be for someone to finally have a happily ever after. They could do it in a way that is not as cheesy as the ending in many other films, and everyone would leave both satisfied and shocked, because had this not been mentioned here on the website, no one would see that coming.
I don't think a Saw film should ever end happily, but I think for at least Saw V, it'd be a welcome change of pace to have someone actually win their game fair and square for once. Saw VI, for the final ending to the series, would need a twist that can rival the original Saw in terms of sheer shock and surprise.
jb2004
05-07-2008, 07:17 PM
I'm sure it's hard to think of a good ending of the series since the best movie ending they could have created has already happened. (Saw I)
FirstBlood1982
05-07-2008, 07:19 PM
Since the films are at heart, morality tales, I don't think that the series should end with the villain, a murderer, getting away victorious as everyone else gets fucked over.
That's why I think SAW III was such a fitting end.
jb2004
05-07-2008, 07:22 PM
In a way I see what you're saying. I don't think the Saw series would end well with a happy ending. I think the closest it would get to a happy ending is if it ended in a draw.
Yodasaffa
05-07-2008, 09:09 PM
What if the villain does not get away in the end or gets killed off?
What if he finishes his final game, and turns himself in?
Might be unexpected.
copycatjigsaw
05-08-2008, 02:29 AM
it has to be a definate ending because if they leave it open they'll make more!..& im all up for that but i dont want it to get to excessive...like james bond LMFAO!! its liek when will it friggin end y'know? HA HA HA!
Julia25
05-08-2008, 11:06 AM
The end of the Saw franchise, that is. Probably not that far off. So my question to you guys is this: what would be the most kick-ass way to end the series? What would be the best end twist to the series that could possibly compete with Saw?
I'm not sure.
But first I want to say that I don't think 'the end is near', I mean there are still two movies planned.
IMO the ending should be similar to the first (Saw) one. It should be shocking and suprising, and I don't mind if it is an 'open end', although if that's the case then there are still possibilities for more Saw sequels, and I don't know if that would be good or bad...
But I wouldn't like a happy ending. Like First Blood said that someone becomes a better person, well that sounds not very "sawish" to me...Because every Saw movie had a shocking twist, I would hate if that would be then a happy ending honeslty...
For the last Saw movie I want a mixture from Saw and Saw III. From Saw the good plot and from Saw III the traps and the gore...;)
lockedinabathroom
05-08-2008, 11:36 AM
I just want it to wrap up in the bathroom somehow.
You pretty much summed up my ideal ending.
The way i see things, the series should end the way it started.
Christine
05-08-2008, 11:45 AM
You pretty much summed up my ideal ending.
The way i see things, the series should end the way it started.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!
bet1984
05-08-2008, 12:16 PM
I agree 100 %
I wish it will end like it begun too.
hotleighandcostas
05-08-2008, 12:22 PM
I'm not sure.
But first I want to say that I don't think 'the end is near', I mean there are still two movies planned.
IMO the ending should be similar to the first (Saw) one. It should be shocking and suprising, and I don't mind if it is an 'open end', although if that's the case then there are still possibilities for more Saw sequels, and I don't know if that would be good or bad...
But I wouldn't like a happy ending. Like First Blood said that someone becomes a better person, well that sounds not very "sawish" to me...Because every Saw movie had a shocking twist, I would hate if that would be then a happy ending honeslty...
For the last Saw movie I want a mixture from Saw and Saw III. From Saw the good plot and from Saw III the traps and the gore...;)
That's what I meant- at least two more movies , but those two movies and two years will go by pretty quickly.
As for the happy ending, I definitely see your point about it not being very sawlike, even if it would be an unexpected twist.
And for the few of you that have mentioned the bathroom: I think that is a MUST! I think no matter the plot ending, no Saw fan will be completely satisfied unless it ends in the bathroom.
Mrs. Jigsaw
05-08-2008, 12:24 PM
You pretty much summed up my ideal ending.
The way i see things, the series should end the way it started.
I agree with this as well. I would love to see them end the SAW series in a full circle. Kind of like an "it ends where it all began" sort of thing.
I'm not really into the "happy ending" idea either. It just doesn't seem to be very SAW-esque. These movies are dark and disturbing and to end the series on a happy note would be kind of...weird, if you know what I mean. I don't think it would fit in with the tone of the movies at all.
Plus, it would also be one hell of a challenge to come up with a twist ending that rivals the one in the first movie. IMHO, I thought that the ending to the first SAW was one of the best in movie history.
Julia25
05-08-2008, 12:52 PM
As for the happy ending, I definitely see your point about it not being very sawlike, even if it would be an unexpected twist.
Unexpected definitely, but I'm not sure if I would like it. Of course the philosophy is about appreciating the life, but making that to a happy ending wouldn't fit to Saw at all, because at least Saw is a horrorfilm, and I loved the shocking and the kind of dark + creepy twists.
These twists/endings always amazed me, I don't think that a happy ending would do that with me too...
And for the few of you that have mentioned the bathroom: I think that is a MUST! I think no matter the plot ending, no Saw fan will be completely satisfied unless it ends in the bathroom.
I agree. The bathrom is definitely a must, it should end where it all started.
FirstBlood1982
05-08-2008, 01:06 PM
As much as I love SAW, it's actually probably my least favorite ending of the first three films.
It is a great shocking "holy shit!" moment, but it's also the most meaningless of the endings.
Seeing John get up off the floor was pretty damn cool, but overall hollow. What happened to Eric and Amanda/Jeff at the end of the first two sequels may not have been as surprising, but it was more meaningful.
Julia25
05-08-2008, 02:01 PM
As much as I love SAW, it's actually probably my least favorite ending of the first three films.
It is a great shocking "holy shit!" moment, but it's also the most meaningless of the endings.
Seeing John get up off the floor was pretty damn cool, but overall hollow. What happened to Eric and Amanda/Jeff at the end of the first two sequels may not have been as surprising, but it was more meaningful.
IMO it was meaningful. It has a big meaning because when he get up off the floor the audience realise that he is responsable for the games and traps, he is the killer and creator from this game!
I think that has a strong meaning.
skychase2rebirth
05-08-2008, 02:28 PM
A survivor* get a revenge, a pursuit (like in saw II) with the "last" jigsaw, he make him fall, cut a jigsaw piece on him with a knife (or a broken saw piece or a mirror piece), and inject poison to him and leave him in the bathroom with a gun. He hear the first tape (you the false one about John) and he shoot himself. The good win, jigsaw fall. We saw jigsaw corpse in a pond of blood in the center of the bathroom like in Saw I, the light close...
something strange like that...
*Example of survivors: Daniel Matthews
Strahm
Perez
Gordon's wife (other)
Hoffman (he become good)
X-RONNIE-X
05-08-2008, 02:32 PM
I wan't something unexpected and something that totally makes you phyisically gasp and say "Ooooh SHIIIT!", something with similar dynamics to the first film.
But while it has to be totally unpredictable, I don't want it to be out of the blue that just involves new characters, I want it to include existing, established characters and that obvously ties up loose endings. I hate it when the film doesnt give you an answer, I don't like coming to my own conclusion because it it just irritates me :(
I'd also like it to change the perspective of all the previous films and link them all together, just as an example; but if Jigsaw was also a test subject, like Zepp, (obviously that would never happen, neither i would want it to, im just using that as an example of how big it should be... but if it did it would be pretty much change everything you already think you know)
FirstBlood1982
05-08-2008, 03:40 PM
IMO it was meaningful. It has a big meaning because when he get up off the floor the audience realise that he is responsable for the games and traps, he is the killer and creator from this game!
I think that has a strong meaning.
By meaning I'm referring to conveying a message or theme. The meaning behind SAW II's ending is what happens when you make a living out of ruining others lives for personal gain...SAW III's ending was about how damaging your weaknesses can be to not only yourself, but those closest to you.
The SAW ending doesn't convey much of anything, other than revealing who the killer was in a cool way.
Julia25
05-08-2008, 04:02 PM
By meaning I'm referring to conveying a message or theme. The meaning behind SAW II's ending is what happens when you make a living out of ruining others lives for personal gain...SAW III's ending was about how damaging your weaknesses can be to not only yourself, but those closest to you.
The SAW ending doesn't convey much of anything, other than revealing who the killer was in a cool way.
Yeah, I see your point, but don't forget that it was the first movie. So they needed to focus on other things like 'who was the killer', 'why did he do that?' and 'why did he choose these people for his tests?'.
Although I think the meaning was to 'appreciate life', because after he stood up from the floor there were flashbacks that he has cancer and that he started his work because of this illness + desperate people who throw their lifes away, so I would say the meaning in the end of Saw was to 'appreciate life'.
FirstBlood1982
05-08-2008, 04:13 PM
That was definitely the meaning, but I don't think John being on the floor the entire time was really what defined that theme.
The SAW end twist is more about shock value than anything else.
I think if they end Saw at VI, then VI should answer all questions. That way, there will be no others. Everything complete -- a beginning -- a middle -- and an end.
On the other hand......... Saw 39 sounds interesting
ycdrummer
05-08-2008, 08:05 PM
what i don't understand is how they are going to use the buddhism undertones to follow out the rest of the series. although they have crafted it quite well up to this point, i think it's going to be a struggle now that there have been two apprentices. did he convert amanda and detective hoffman to buddhism and the ways of it? how exactly is what he's doing going to improve anything?
i know it sounds completely cynical, i've just read up on buddhism and such..and it seems it's going to be extremely flawed if they don't stick to it and make it a big deal in the next two movies.
DavidMx8
05-08-2008, 08:16 PM
maybe it should have a very suffering ending, like almost everyone surviving and then everyone dies (including the apprentice) exept one, that became shocked for life, but the movie shows how he tries to go on,
then the credits
and then an extra scene
the man commitin suicide
with amanda phrase
"nobody fuckin changes"
and then closin the movies
so with those two endings and no things to move forward
people can consider cannon what they want
A.m.a.n.d.a
05-10-2008, 12:41 AM
I think it should end with whatever person is the new jigsaw being locked in the bathroom chained to a tipe. And one of the main characters like dr gordon or alyson or somone who was affected by it - like kinda the last man standing, shutting the door saying something like the games are finally over.
GhostOfJigsaw
05-10-2008, 07:02 PM
Yes, I'd say that's the only way to end the series. Preferably, they should be chained in the Saw 1 bathroom. Then the series is complete.
jb2004
05-10-2008, 07:17 PM
that would be sweet. I think that's the only way the series can end by connecting Saw with Saw VI.
The bathroom definitely has to return for Saw VI and be involved in the very final scene of the series.
The Dark Shape
05-10-2008, 07:36 PM
I think you could thematically link to the bathroom without actually going there.
The bathroom has become a staple of the series and is Saw's equivalent of Camp Crystal Lake or Freddy Krueger's boiler room. While I think the series can go on for one more movie without it, for the very final installment, I think it would be fitting to end it there. The series ends where it began.
jb2004
05-10-2008, 07:49 PM
maybe during Saw VI they could have a flashback to what happened to Gordon after John closed the door on Adam.
The Dark Shape
05-10-2008, 07:51 PM
The ending I've thrown around in my head is simple and probably too low-key for most members, but here it is:
John waits nervously outside the doctor's office for the results of his Cancer test. He goes in and meets Dr. Gordon, so we'll have a Cary Elwes cameo. Gordon breaks the news. John leaves, utterly distraught.
At this point, we really play up the sounds and imagery. John taking things in. The world is so loud as he savors every moment. It's head-splitting, agony. He goes home, fighting out the sounds. Eventually he goes into the bathroom and runs water into the tub, fills it completely. He takes another listen and then slides into the tub.
The sounds dim a bit, the world a little more reasonable. All he can hear now are people -- talking, their troubles.
And that would be the end for me.
MuffinMcFluffin
05-11-2008, 02:28 AM
Lawrence. Gordon.
DeadArtist
05-11-2008, 06:46 AM
that is the true ending, allthough everyone is talking about it (so it wouldnt be shocking or unexpected)...
Is that a problem?
I don't like guessing what kind of ending it should be, because i prefer to be completely surprised and open-minded in what to expect.
But i agree with those who say it must end sAW VI in the bathroom.
dissociation
05-12-2008, 07:52 AM
I don't like guessing what kind of ending it should be, because i prefer to be completely surprised and open-minded in what to expect.
But i agree with those who say it must end sAW VI in the bathroom.
I agree with that. I never make hundreds of theories, I just wait and see what they made out of it.
I also want it to end in the bathroom. If they dont do that, it will not be good.
Black Casper
05-19-2008, 06:27 PM
Well I remember that interview with Betsy Russell and she said that if all goes well, we might see Saw VII. Personally I don't know how probable that is, or reliable , but nonetheless it's there. Secondly, I know alot of people are saying that they would want the series to end with the scene that started Saw. How would you guys make that happen? Just curious to hear some ideas because well the everything that happens in the series, with the exception of a few things, takes place after that. So in what ways do you guys think they could they go back without disregarding everything that's happened basically?
DetectiveMatthewsRocks
09-12-2008, 09:27 AM
i just want it to end in the bathroom with hoffman standing in there, and dr. gordon comes up and says game over, detective hoffman and leaves him in there and slams the door shut. I think that would be cool as hell, having dr. gordon being the one who knew what hoffman was doing the entire time.
skychase2rebirth
09-12-2008, 10:54 AM
If someone survive at the end, he/she will never be able to live normally anymore after. Nightmare, paranoia, scars.... If it happen we will prolly have a "not so happy" ending.
Jig_Saw89
09-12-2008, 01:02 PM
I understand where everyone's coming from about 'it began in the bathroom, so it has to end there' but in reality . . . it would just be backtracking as opposed to moving the story along.
I mean, what other thing could possibly happen in the bathroom? So we get someone chained up in the bathroom again and . . . they saw their arm off?
It would just be a reoccuring cycle. I understand that the bathroom is like nostalgia to everyone, but the story has derived SOOO FAR away from the bathroom. Like Saw 2 obviously was trying to keep it close to "home" but uh. . . Saw 3 & 4 had nothing to do with it. It would be almost ridiculous to return to the bathroom. Because it'd be random. Not a 'twist' just a random thing that the writers got lazy and said 'lets end it in the potty room again.'
tobinbellpwns
09-12-2008, 03:07 PM
all i ask for is that we see the bathroom IN PRESENT TIME in saw VI
lockedinabathroom
09-12-2008, 03:37 PM
The bathroom is pretty iconic of the whole series if you ask me. We saw it in 3 (IDK whether it was in IV, can't remember) of the movies.
The majority of the fans love it, it would be a dumb move on the writers' behalves if we didn't see it again.
And as i've said earlier in the thread, i would absolutely love to see it used in the finale in some way.
We're at the end of the series, we don't need story development, we need closure.
tobinbellpwns
09-12-2008, 03:46 PM
we need closure.
litterally
:cool:
ianforcer
09-12-2008, 04:02 PM
The bathroom is pretty iconic of the whole series if you ask me. We saw it in 3 (IDK whether it was in IV, can't remember) of the movies.
The majority of the fans love it, it would be a dumb move on the writers' behalves if we didn't see it again.
And as i've said earlier in the thread, i would absolutely love to see it used in the finale in some way.
We're at the end of the series, we don't need story development, we need closure.
I totally agree with what you're saying hun. I think they should finish with the key in the bath so they go full circle - I would love that, whether the veterans agree or not!
P.S. You really like bathrooms don't you?! ;)
lockedinabathroom
09-12-2008, 04:15 PM
I totally agree with what you're saying hun. I think they should finish with the key in the bath so they go full circle - I would love that, whether the veterans agree or not!
P.S. You really like bathrooms don't you?! ;)
Nahh, just this particular bathroom ;D
But yeah, a lot of people would be supportive of using it as the ending. And rightly so, because it would be fantastic zD
tesseract
09-13-2008, 04:49 AM
I suppose they could end Saw 6 with a scene where the cops discover the bathroom, and it has the corpses of all failed subjects which have been thrown in there to rot. I dunno.
tobinbellpwns
09-13-2008, 05:28 AM
just imagine they open the door and an avalanche of bodies just fall on them
zD
Whysoserious
09-13-2008, 06:14 AM
The ending should connect all the pieces, so it leaves everyone satisfied and with no possible way to have a sequel. The bathroom is the perfect way to end the series because it connects with the first like the 2nd with the 3rd and the 3rd with the 4th. Dr.Gordan is the only thing that comes to mind that could completely shock the hell out of people, and finish the games.
Dark_Eldar
09-13-2008, 07:03 AM
I think it'd be cool to have an open ending, one that wraped up the themes and answered all the questions, but left new things for people to think about. After all what are we going to talk about on this forum once VI is done?
After all, most of of the topics on this forum are theroies on the diffrent things in Saw and thatg makes it one of the most talked about franchises in that respect.
What i'd love is an ending that showed how the 'Jigsaw/apprentice' relationship was an on going thing (abit like in Star Wars with the Siths 'rule of two'). Have the heros/police in the films believe the've won and that 'jigsaw' has been stoped only to have the ending be someone (none connected to the films, just someone random) in a trap and have a 'there will always be a jigsaw' theme to it.
One thing i loved about the first Saws ending was the reinforcement of the 'value your life' theme and the way they made John kind of like a boogyman figure ' Value your life or i will judge you'. Taking away 'Jigsaw' and wraping it up completly would ruin that. Apart of the shock and horror aspect is the fact he's still out there- he could come for you!
Just my thoughts anyway
Whysoserious
09-13-2008, 08:17 AM
Another thing I forgot is show how the apprentice was in every Saw film, in some way or form. So in reality Jigsaw never really captured anyone, not even Amanda. Show how they both agreed it was John's time to go and the set up of the Gas House and Bathroom. Basically the apprentice should be a male, so it feels like a father and son relationship was established since John lost his real son. Something I noticed in all the Saw films that has never been mentioned, is the relationship of father and child. Dr. Gordan and daughter, Eric and Daniel, Jeff with son and daughter. It would tie up everything and make since to why John wanted this person to finish his work. Thus ending the franchise with the final game John planned.
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