Dr. Gordon for the future of Saw (Serious Issues)

[hotleighandcostas]

As anyone on this website knows, there's been tons and tons of debating as to whether or not Dr. G is still alive and if he is what role he will play in his return.
Now, before you all kill me. let me just say that I am personally very much undecided on these issues. I do think that it would be hard to explain how Dr. G would have survived what he did, but I would like to point out a few things and hope that this hasn't been said to death in the other thread.

1. The whole thing about Jigsaw saying in Saw III about Dr. G "I was his patient until he was mine." Now partly I think he could be simply talking about the bathroom game. But that doesn't really make sense. Jigsaw calls his victims test subjects, not patients.

2. DR. G IS QUITE OBVIOUSLY A DOCTOR! I myself, as well as other people on this website, have spoken with doctors who say that Dr. G would have died of blood loss before making it too far out of the bathroom. Now, I know this is a film and not real life but this is a plot hole/ serious issue: even if Dr. G is not a foot doctor, neither was the doctor I talked to nor (I'm guessing) the doctor that other people in this thread have talked to. If THEY know that sawing off his foot would have been pointless because he wouldn't make it very far, wouldn't Dr. G know, too, that sawing off his foot would be basically committing suicide and wouldn't help him get to his family. I know that he wasn't thinking clearly at this point in the film and was overcome with fear, but even in moment of stress and insanity, you wouldn't forget everything you know about science and anatomy and the medical field and all that.

3. Did anyone notice that on the Unrated Saw III DVD in the producers commentary, one of them is talking about Leigh and says "I I were Leigh I would have made Cary die and let Adam live instead." or something along those lines. If you listen to it, and they way he said it, he makes it sound like he knew for sure only one of them died. And the other producer didn't say it, but his tone and response kind of game me the impression of "I can't believe you just said that" like he'd accidentally given away a valuable piece of information.

4. This is sort of irrelevant but ever notice how on the Unrated Saw III DVD with one of the commentaries with Darren, he says, "Ok, so why don't we put the Dr. Gordon issue to rest" then he and the other commentators (I think it was Kevin the editor and David Armstrong the DP) and then Darren goes "Dr.
Gordon is..." and conveniently someone's cell phone rings at that moment and they start talking about something else and he never mentions it again. Am I the only one who's noticed that?

Sorry to be so long winded.

[iwanaplayagame]

This is going to cause soo much arguing.
i am one that believes dr G is alive by the way.)

[DOJ]

I for one think Dr. Gordon could still be alive and don't mind if he is, but if he's dead I won't complain. I actually don't really mind his fate being unexplained, I kind of like the mystery about it. That's one problem I felt the last two films have had, the need to explain everything.

[hotleighandcostas]

yeah..like "Saw V is going to explain the meaning behind Billy's tricycle". Uh...who cares?

i supposed Saw VI will be about the meaning behind Tobin's gray boxers in Saw.lol

But on topic, I do think that it would be a disservice to fans if something more of Dr. G wasn't seen or heard before the series ends.

[Gideon]

I would definately like to see flashbacks of Dr. Gordon actually telling John that he has cancer. I want to see the look on John's face & hear Dr. Gordon's cold tone. While they are in the hosptial, they can show us Zep meeting John & showing him Amanda and Paul. More cameos can be shown in too.

[natedoggcata]

As anyone on this website knows, there's been tons and tons of debating as to whether or not Dr. G is still alive and if he is what role he will play in his return. .

Understatement of the CENTURY!!!!

[hotleighandcostas]

lol...i know, i know...lmao

[DOJ]

yeah..like "Saw V is going to explain the meaning behind Billy's tricycle". Uh...who cares?

i supposed Saw VI will be about the meaning behind Tobin's gray boxers in Saw.lol


Tell me about it. Flashbacks that are relevant to the storyline and clear up some holes and tie everything together are fine, but to go that out of the way by explaining things like the significance of Billy's tricycle, it's a bit overkill IMO. What's so hard about understanding that Billy serves as John's avatar when he communicates with his test subjects?


I would definately like to see flashbacks of Dr. Gordon actually telling John that he has cancer. I want to see the look on John's face & hear Dr. Gordon's cold tone. While they are in the hosptial, they can show us Zep meeting John & showing him Amanda and Paul. More cameos can be shown in too.


The Saw: Rebirth prequel comic actually features those scenes. You can find the animated version of Rebirth on YouTube, search for it. I'd LOVE for those scenes to be filmed, so Rebirth can finally be made canon in the films, and also because those parts of the comic tied in so well with the original movie.

[Gideon]

Yeah, I know those scenes are in Rebirth. That is what makes Rebirth so great! I also wouldn't mind if some of the scenes in your fanfic would be included as well. ;)

(BTW, I'm on chapter 8. It's great so far!)

[DOJ]

Thanks, glad you're enjoying it :) I often wonder if any of the filmmakers have ever read my story and possibly gotten some ideas...

[Gideon]

If they read your story and included some elements of it, the films would increase greatly in quality. We don't care about your flashy transitions, Darren! It is all about the story! The plot makes or breaks the films. Too bad he didn't know that. :(

[myzterons]

Dr. Gordon is serious business.

IMO he's pretty much dead, and it's good that they left it implied instead of overkilling adding twenty flashbacks on how he became a doctor after his 360 melted or something.

[DOJ]

If they read your story and included some elements of it, the films would increase greatly in quality. We don't care about your flashy transitions, Darren! It is all about the story! The plot makes or breaks the films. Too bad he didn't know that. :(


Thanks. It is indeed a shame Darren seems more fixated on stuff like transitions and quick cuts, and doesn't put quite as much effort into the story :(

[hotleighandcostas]

Thanks. It is indeed a shame Darren seems more fixated on stuff like transitions and quick cuts, and doesn't put quite as much effort into the story :(


The only effort he puts into the story is when people say they guessed the twists and he says "well, that wasn't really the twist"

But let's try to stay on topic..I'd really like to know what people think about these points about Dr. G

[DOJ]

You make good points about Gordon. I don't mind if his fate is left ambiguous and would kind of prefer if it was, just to break to trend the series now has gotten into of explaining every single nook and cranny.

[hotleighandcostas]

Yeah I like the mystery, but I don't want the series to end with anything IMPORTANT being left a mystery. Like, the letter and Dr. Gordon. Those are two very important things. But, as long as the series continues I think they should be left a mystery- but explained by the end of the final installment. The clues are there, but do we really want to be left in suspense FOREVER?

[Chrisnelson2007]

Thanks. It is indeed a shame Darren seems more fixated on stuff like transitions and quick cuts, and doesn't put quite as much effort into the story :(

Puhleae! The story in the sequels is far more superior than the first one.

[DOJ]

Yeah I like the mystery, but I don't want the series to end with anything IMPORTANT being left a mystery. Like, the letter and Dr. Gordon. Those are two very important things. But, as long as the series continues I think they should be left a mystery- but explained by the end of the final installment. The clues are there, but do we really want to be left in suspense FOREVER?


I see what you mean, but by that point, a lot of fans will already have their own interpretation as to what the letter said or what became of Dr. Gordon, and for once, I actually have to give Darren a pat on the back when he said on the S4 commentary that the contents of the letter were better left a mystery because so many fans have their own interpretation of it. If things like that were to be revealed, it would've been better to have done so earlier in the series, when it was of importance. But I guess I wouldn't mind if they revealed it all in the very final chapter, as long as they did it right.


Puhleae! The story in the sequels is far more superior than the first one.


All a matter of personal opinion and perception. IMO, the original Saw is still the best in terms of storytelling and suspense. I love the modern mystery movie aspect it has to it, too.

[Chrisnelson2007]

I see what you mean, but by that point, a lot of fans will already have their own interpretation as to what the letter said or what became of Dr. Gordon, and for once, I actually have to give Darren a pat on the back when he said on the S4 commentary that the contents of the letter were better left a mystery because so many fans have their own interpretation of it. If things like that were to be revealed, it would've been better to have done so earlier in the series, when it was of importance. But I guess I wouldn't mind if they revealed it all in the very final chapter, as long as they did it right.





All a matter of personal opinion and perception. IMO, the original Saw is still the best in terms of storytelling and suspense. I love the modern mystery movie aspect it has to it, too.

But the acting was borderline untolerable... IMO Leigh and by a furthur extent Cary should have got Razzies for those performances. The acting completely detracted from the suspense. The most suspseful aspect of the SAW franchise was in SAW III, when the two music scores combined into each other and Jeff was just outside the gate...

[hotleighandcostas]

I see what you mean, but by that point, a lot of fans will already have their own interpretation as to what the letter said or what became of Dr. Gordon, and for once, I actually have to give Darren a pat on the back when he said on the S4 commentary that the contents of the letter were better left a mystery because so many fans have their own interpretation of it. If things like that were to be revealed, it would've been better to have done so earlier in the series, when it was of importance. But I guess I wouldn't mind if they revealed it all in the very final chapter, as long as they did it right.

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Yeah you have a point. If they do decide to unveil these mysteries, no one will really be satisfied. Everybody will just complain about the way they did it and sing their "shoulda, coulda, woulda" 's.

[hotleighandcostas]

But the acting was borderline untolerable... IMO Leigh and by a furthur extent Cary should have got Razzies for those performances. The acting completely detracted from the suspense. The most suspseful aspect of the SAW franchise was in SAW III, when the two music scores combined into each other and Jeff was just outside the gate...


?????????......

wow....i don't even know how to begin to respond to that...wow

[DOJ]

Yeah you have a point. If they do decide to unveil these mysteries, no one will really be satisfied. Everybody will just complain about the way they did it and sing their "shoulda, coulda, woulda" 's.


Yep. It's gotten to the point where the Saw fandom has certain sects of fans who ask for this but don't want that, and in the end, a lot of people don't get what they want. That's why Saw III and IV being fan service films is something that's been both a blessing and a curse, but to an extent, perhaps more of a curse. The need to explain everything with flashbacks and reveal things that go against what many fans initially thought, etc. causes a great deal of friction with many sects of fans.


But the acting was borderline untolerable... IMO Leigh and by a furthur extent Cary should have got Razzies for those performances. The acting completely detracted from the suspense. The most suspseful aspect of the SAW franchise was in SAW III, when the two music scores combined into each other and Jeff was just outside the gate...


Well that's just your opinion. I personally think Cary and Leigh did fine in the original Saw and get way too much flack for their performances. Considering the hideously short shooting schedule the original Saw had, their performances turned out pretty damn good IMO.

[Chrisnelson2007]

Well that's just your opinion. I personally think Cary and Leigh did fine in the original Saw and get way too much flack for their performances. Considering the hideously short shooting schedule the original Saw had, their performances turned out pretty damn good IMO.

A good actor can make it work. They did not (Tho they are both actors, they just did not pull it off here.) Compared to any of the other saw films, the acting is completely and utterly horrendous (tho Jeff was also pretty bad)

Also, I think the reason why so many people say the first film is the best, because they feel they need to, in a way, honor it. I recently (along with 12 friends) had a Saw Movie night, and they all agreed that the first was the worse. I give it more credit than that lot of them. (They said it was a piece of shit, and every single one of them put Saw II and Saw III into their list of favorite films ever.

I give it a 9/10, because it is a good story, but the acting is horribel

[DOJ]

A good actor can make it work. They did not (Tho they are both actors, they just did not pull it off here.) Compared to any of the other saw films, the acting is completely and utterly horrendous (tho Jeff was also pretty bad)

Also, I think the reason why so many people say the first film is the best, because they feel they need to, in a way, honor it. I recently (along with 12 friends) had a Saw Movie night, and they all agreed that the first was the worse. I give it more credit than that lot of them. (They said it was a piece of shit, and every single one of them put Saw II and Saw III into their list of favorite films ever.

I give it a 9/10, because it is a good story, but the acting is horribel


Opinions vary. I think the original Saw is excellent and the acting is much better than many other films of the genre. Although Saw II is my favorite, the original is easily superior in a number of aspects, such as suspense, mystery and storytelling, and it's also better-filmed IMO. None of Darren's overkill with the quick cuts and transitions to be found in the original Saw.

[Chrisnelson2007]

and it's also better-filmed IMO. None of Darren's overkill with the quick cuts and transitions to be found in the original Saw.

Um...no. The other ones are much better filmed (except saw IV, that definately had issues with the camer :))

[DOJ]

I personally prefer the much more subdued and "laidback" filming style of the original Saw, although I also enjoyed Saw II's more kinetic style. I didn't care for Saw III's photography except for the quick cuts and transitions, which I thought were pretty stylish and well-done. Saw IV though was total overkill, IMO.

[Gideon]

You really cannot complain about the original Saw. It was on a very tight budget and shooting schedule. Many fans, including myself, look up to Saw I because of the innocence and orginality. Darren, although a great director, overdid his camera shots (most clearly seen in IV). Don't complain, Leigh and James did the the best that they could! :)

[DOJ]

You really cannot complain about the original Saw. It was on a very tight budget and shooting schedule. Many fans, including myself, look up to Saw I because of the innocence and orginality. Darren, although a great director, overdid his camera shots (most clearly seen in IV). Don't complain, Leigh and James did the the best that they could! :)


I agree with all of this.

I wonder if any of the ideas James and Leigh had in mind for the original Saw that they brushed aside due to budget and time constraints were ever re-used in the sequels? It wouldn't surprise me.

[hotleighandcostas]

I wonder if they meant for people to speculate about Dr. G still being alive after the bathroom game.

[DOJ]

To begin with, they never even thought Saw would ever become a film series, at the time they thought it was just a one-time thing.

[hotleighandcostas]

I know, but I mean, I wonder if they intended to leave people with the impression that Dr. G was alive at the end of the film. Regardless or whether or not another Saw film was ever made.

[DOJ]

Who knows. I always got the impression they believed he died, but have deliberately left it open for fans to decide for themselves.

[mastae]

I always assumed Dr. G to be dead, and then once someone mentioned that he might be alive, I got excited and thought it would be a really cool way to have the series end full circle.

But I don't think I'd be upset if Dr. G wasn't mentioned so long as the ending to the series goes out with a bang.

[StateOfDistress]

But the acting was borderline untolerable... IMO Leigh and by a furthur extent Cary should have got Razzies for those performances. The acting completely detracted from the suspense.

I don't get how you can say that. I think Leigh did a pretty damn good job seeing as though it was his first major movie and he had to hide his accent. He was completely believable. And Cary always gets ragged on for his acting in SAW. I just don't get it. I thought they both did an amazing job and made it WAY more suspenseful.

[brokenandtwisted]

Puhleae! The story in the sequels is far more superior than the first one.

LOL

I think that's all I have to say about that, and this thread.

[mastae]

I don't get how you can say that. I think Leigh did a pretty damn good job seeing as though it was his first major movie and he had to hide his accent. He was completely believable. And Cary always gets ragged on for his acting in SAW. I just don't get it. I thought they both did an amazing job and made it WAY more suspenseful.
Leigh was fine, and Cary was great, even amazing up until his character started freaking out. The insane growls, and his quick transitions in his pitch made it less believable. The funniest had to be:

"Is that you Zepp you bastard?!"

Allison: "Larry?"

(suddenly becomes nice Larry) "Ally"

I'm sorry but I can't help but laugh at the delivery of that line. In no way am I bashing Cary's acting skills though. I've seen him in tons of other movies where he has done an impecable job. The end of Saw just wasn't his best performance, and if that is the only gripe I have with the acting of all the Saw movies, then I'm pretty satisfied :P.

[StateOfDistress]

Leigh was fine, and Cary was great, even amazing up until his character started freaking out. The insane growls, and his quick transitions in his pitch made it less believable. The funniest had to be:

"Is that you Zepp you bastard?!"

Allison: "Larry?"

(suddenly becomes nice Larry) "Ally"

I'm sorry but I can't help but laugh at the delivery of that line. In no way am I bashing Cary's acting skills though. I've seen him in tons of other movies where he has done an impecable job. The end of Saw just wasn't his best performance, and if that is the only gripe I have with the acting of all the Saw movies, then I'm pretty satisfied :P.

Haha. No I agree with you. It's hilarious when he says that. I just hate when people say he was like.. horrible through out the whole movie because I definitely don't think he was.

[jb2004]

Who knows. I always got the impression they believed he died, but have deliberately left it open for fans to decide for themselves.

if the end of Saw VI comes and we still don't know for sure what his fate is... then whatever our imaginations came up with is what happened as far as i'm concerned.

[myzterons]

I love how this thread is a "Is Dr. Gordon alive?" thread in a "serious issue" disguise. :3

[jb2004]

yeah how is it serious issues... besides there is a "all dr. Gordon discussions go here" thread on the Saw 2 forum...

[ianforcer]

I always assumed Dr. G to be dead, and then once someone mentioned that he might be alive, I got excited and thought it would be a really cool way to have the series end full circle.

But I don't think I'd be upset if Dr. G wasn't mentioned so long as the ending to the series goes out with a bang.


This is my exact take on the whole thing. Mastae you have summed my hopes for Saw VI perfectly! A return to the bathroom where it all started with Dr. G revealed to have been behind it all from Saw II onwards would be sheer nirvana! John gave him a second chance like Amanda, but was smarter and more professional in his execution than a reformed junkie.

This is the only way David Hackl & co. could end the series with credibility and the ultimate twist...even if some of us have always predicted this.

[Pocketjew]

?????????......

wow....i don't even know how to begin to respond to that...wow

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Pokchu/NOLAWRENCENO.jpg

"NO LAWERENCE, NO, DON'T! PLEASE, LAWERENCE I'M BEGGING YOUUU!"


Yup, that there's some grade A acting right there.

EDIT: Is being able to post images really that horrible?

[Gideon]

I personally love Dr. Gordon, here is why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvX7Zqv_Qyk

[jb2004]

I personally love Dr. Gordon, here is why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvX7Zqv_Qyk

Oh my gosh that made my day... I love the music!

[Dr.Gordon Is My Idol]

Lets go Dr. Gordon!!! Come back

[chainsaw]

if he is alive or dead... they will explain it.....

[bet1984]

Since Saw 1, I think they HAVE TO tell us what happened to Gordon. It's not normal that they keep it a secret. And if he was dead, I think they would already show it in 2, 3 or 4. Because in Saw 2, Amanda, Daniel, Xavier and Eric are walking in the same hall than Gordon in Saw 1 (after leaving the bathroom).
Again, in saw 3, we see Amanda go kill Adam (in flashback - in the bathroom with a plastic bag) there is Gordon's feet, but not his body....
So, why we never see anyone rescue or kill Gordon? Because, I think, they keep it for the end!

If we never hear about Gordon again, I will be very disapointed about that.
If it happen like this and we never know where he is, or at least, if he is dead, it will be something missing in all these movies.
Because they talked about Gordon in every saw movies....we saw his office with his name on it, the hospital, ect...

[sarahmichelle.x]

I have mixed feelings about bringing Lawrence back.
Part of me wants him to be involved LIVING...
The other part wants me dead.
Meh, I just don't know anymore.

[brokenandtwisted]

As anyone on this website knows, there's been tons and tons of debating as to whether or not Dr. G is still alive and if he is what role he will play in his return.
Now, before you all kill me. let me just say that I am personally very much undecided on these issues. I do think that it would be hard to explain how Dr. G would have survived what he did, but I would like to point out a few things and hope that this hasn't been said to death in the other thread.

1. The whole thing about Jigsaw saying in Saw III about Dr. G "I was his patient until he was mine." Now partly I think he could be simply talking about the bathroom game. But that doesn't really make sense. Jigsaw calls his victims test subjects, not patients.

2. DR. G IS QUITE OBVIOUSLY A DOCTOR! I myself, as well as other people on this website, have spoken with doctors who say that Dr. G would have died of blood loss before making it too far out of the bathroom. Now, I know this is a film and not real life but this is a plot hole/ serious issue: even if Dr. G is not a foot doctor, neither was the doctor I talked to nor (I'm guessing) the doctor that other people in this thread have talked to. If THEY know that sawing off his foot would have been pointless because he wouldn't make it very far, wouldn't Dr. G know, too, that sawing off his foot would be basically committing suicide and wouldn't help him get to his family. I know that he wasn't thinking clearly at this point in the film and was overcome with fear, but even in moment of stress and insanity, you wouldn't forget everything you know about science and anatomy and the medical field and all that.

3. Did anyone notice that on the Unrated Saw III DVD in the producers commentary, one of them is talking about Leigh and says "I I were Leigh I would have made Cary die and let Adam live instead." or something along those lines. If you listen to it, and they way he said it, he makes it sound like he knew for sure only one of them died. And the other producer didn't say it, but his tone and response kind of game me the impression of "I can't believe you just said that" like he'd accidentally given away a valuable piece of information.

4. This is sort of irrelevant but ever notice how on the Unrated Saw III DVD with one of the commentaries with Darren, he says, "Ok, so why don't we put the Dr. Gordon issue to rest" then he and the other commentators (I think it was Kevin the editor and David Armstrong the DP) and then Darren goes "Dr.
Gordon is..." and conveniently someone's cell phone rings at that moment and they start talking about something else and he never mentions it again. Am I the only one who's noticed that?

Sorry to be so long winded.

I LoL'd.

Then I realised you were probably being serious.

Then I LoL'd again.

Now I will leave the thread.

[Jordana Divinorum]

Either way.. Saw V is gonna be a whirlwind.

[tobinbellpwns]

This is my Dr. Gordon blog on my myspace

for anyone who doesn't have me added on myspace here it is!

vvvvvvvvvvvvvv

For many years......(ok actually just since 2004) man(depends if you've seen "saw" or not) has wondered. Man has wondered about a question so complex...so puzzling....so mind blowing...and that question is:WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO DR. GORDON.

My friends, let me enlighten you...allow me to spill the thoughts in my mind into yours. I have a theory about the subject. I thought of this myself and anyone with the same idea is simply coincidential. Allow me to explain....

Lawrence Gordon at the beginning of the movie seemed calm....he said and i qoute "Use your shirt." and "Well there must be something!". Why was he so anctious? Why wasn't he freaking out like Adam? He seemed like he KNEW there was some way out. Now some of you may be thinking....oh no...Ryan you are wrong...Lawrence was freaking out plenty near the end of the movie. My answer to that is this: John told him before hand that he would be put in a test. Amanda didn't know....Adam didn't know...the only people who knew were John and Lawrence. In the beginning he really thought he could get out of it and he really wanted to try to escape. Near the end of the movie, he just pretty much gave up. He "didn't want to play anymore" as one of our beloved deceased friends said in Saw IV.

Now here is part 2 of my theory. Part 2 is all reasons that John may have helped Lawrence after he walked out of the bathroom. Here is why. Lawrence made both choices to escape from the game. He attempted to kill Adam, AND he cut off his foot. John may have admired Lawrence for doing both these things. My other proof is the fact that John is not a SURGEON. Lawrence is a SURGEON. Why do i bring this up? Becuase John supposedly SURGICALLY put a key behind micheal;s eye. Becuase John supposedly SURGICALLY hooked metal bars into kerry's rib cage. Becuase John supposedly SURGICALLY put rods between two people just enough to kill one, and let the other survive. Also, where is the only place to get scalpels? A hospital. Also, if the makers of Saw really wanted to put their foot down and say he is dead, don't you think they would have put a fake dead body somewhere in the sewers where he was crawling out? I mean, they showed Adam's corpse. Why not Lawrence's? Finally, did anyone take into acount that the guy in micheal's video who SURGICALLY puts the key behind his eye is LIMPING?

These are my beliefs. Think about them. let them enlighten your world. Let it hewn into your mind.

thank you for reading.......

[bet1984]

My ideas about what happen to Gordon are similar from yours. And yess at the beginning of Saw 2, it could be Gordon who put a key behind Micheal's eye. I agree with all your suppositions. A lot of victims needed help from a doctor.
Gordon himself = Saw (he needed a surgery for his foot)
Micheal = Saw 2 (key in the eye)
Eric Matthews Saw 3-4 = (his foot was....unusable!! But he was alive, so, someone did something with his broken foot)
Morgan and her husband = Saw 4 (the rods were placed by someone who knew perfectly the human body....)
So, I agree 100 % with you.

But, I'm not sure that Lawrence knew he was going to play a game with Jigsaw......maybe....I don't know....

[ianforcer]

I'm a firm believer of both your theories above. As I posted earlier today before I read this thread I stated that all these things needed a Doctor in order for them to be a success - the key behind Michael's eye, Spear trap etc.

So when you take away all the likely candidates we have Gordon left. If VI went full circle and ended with Lawrence rotting in the bathroom that would be the perfect ending for me. Let's hope Dunston & Melton have a similar outlook ey ;)

[bet1984]

If they don't show what happened to Gordon in Saw 5 or 6, it will be something really important missing in these movies. More, I think it will be a real mistake from the producers. We never saw his body. But we knew what happened to all of the victims. So we HAVE TO know what happen to Gordon.

[Julia25]

If they don't show what happened to Gordon in Saw 5 or 6, it will be something really important missing in these movies. More, I think it will be a real mistake from the producers. We never saw his body. But we knew what happened to all of the victims. So we HAVE TO know what happen to Gordon.
I agree with that.
I mean, I do understand people who talk about leaving Dr. Gordon as the big Saw mystery, but I think it would really bother me that after Saw VI, the last Saw film I still don't know what has happened to him!
They answered so many questions, we saw detailed the fate of Adam and Eric, we know exactly Jigsaw's reasons for starting his work, but still we shouldn't know what happened to Dr. Gordon after he crawled out of the bathroom? IMO it's needed to explain his fate, or at least show us his corpse.
Though making him the new apprentice/accomplize would be too obvious, not originally enough and it's what most everybody expects...

[bet1984]

I agree with you.
If they show us his body, we will be happy. We only want to know what happen to him, even if he is dead.

[jigsawfan101]

i think hes still alive

[mastae]

The fact that Lawrence promised to get help for Adam and DIDN'T should be enough to convince people that he's dead. If Lawrence had survived, he would have brought help back for Adam, or at least some issue would have been made on him trying.
*cough* Amanda *cough*

Her line right before killing Adam: "I'm here to help"

Also, it would seem kind of odd that the staff has stated numerous times that they want to fill in all the puzzle pieces in a final saw, and even Darren said in the Saw 3 commentary that there would be a final saw where all the pieces would come together. This would imply Gordon's fate, but wouldn't exactly be necessary to "put all the pieces together."

[DOJ]

Although I'd prefer if Dr. Gordon weren't an apprentice, I could accept the idea of him being one if the filmmakers decided to go that route with him.

[Julia25]

Although I'd prefer if Dr. Gordon weren't an apprentice, I could accept the idea of him being one if the filmmakers decided to go that route with him.
If they really would go that route with him then I hope they'll do it smart + creative, and not too predictable...;)

[DOJ]

I would much prefer Dr. Gordon to be an apprentice than Jill, that's for sure.

[mastae]

I would much prefer Dr. Gordon to be an apprentice than Jill, that's for sure.
Same here. I will rip my hair out if Jill is in anyway involved other than being a pawn >.<

[lockedinabathroom]

I would prefer that too. Even if it is highly unlikely.

[DOJ]

Same here. I will rip my hair out if Jill is in anyway involved other than being a pawn >.<


Same for me. I will be so pissed if Jill is revealed to be an apprentice or the true heir of John's legacy.

[Julia25]

I would much prefer Dr. Gordon to be an apprentice than Jill, that's for sure.
Yeah I agree, me too. If Jill is much involved or even his secret accomplize I would be pissed...

[DOJ]

I'll trash the theater display if Jill is revealed to be in on it.

[Julia25]

I'll trash the theater display if Jill is revealed to be in on it.
Lol yeah me too. I still have faith in the franchise, but if that really happened I would lost the last of it...:(

[lockedinabathroom]

I agree with everyone above.
If it did turn out to be Jill; that would be quite a big let-down for me.

It would be far too obvious. And it just wouldn't feel right at all imo.

[DOJ]

As I've said many times before, I'll disregard Saw V as canon if Jill is revealed to be an apprentice. Words can't describe how much I would hate that.

[Julia25]

Then Saw is just like a lot of other predictable horrorfilms, uncreative and lame...
It's just too obvious, making the ex-wife to the accomplize, wow how imaginative...;)

[DOJ]

If Jill turned out to be an unwilling accomplice/pawn like Zep I could accept that, but as the apprentice or heir to John's work, Hell no.

[Julia25]

If Jill turned out to be an unwilling accomplice/pawn like Zep I could accept that, but as the apprentice or heir to John's work, Hell no.
I don't believe that they'll really do that, Amanda was an apprentice and making another one to an apprentice would be lame, because they already did that.
I would like the idea that Jill knows some things and helped Jigsaw for something (nothing big) in the past, but now she regrets it and try to hide it...
That would be okay for me.

[DOJ]

I'd personally prefer if Jill had no involvement with John at all, and were to be thrusted into a game of her own.

[Julia25]

I'd personally prefer if Jill had no involvement with John at all, and were to be thrusted into a game of her own.
Yeah, but with the key around her neck she definitely knows something. It's not that she's big involved, but she has a secret which she tries to hide, that's for sure.

[DOJ]

Maybe the key is for something else and nothing that's connected with John's work, and it's just there to throw us off-guard. At least I hope that's the case.

[Julia25]

Maybe the key is for something else and nothing that's connected with John's work, and it's just there to throw us off-guard. At least I hope that's the case.
Yeah it could be, but even Darren said on the Saw IV commentary that the key has a meaning, though we still don't know for what...

[DOJ]

Darren has said so many things about Saw IV that were proven to be either untrue or inaccurate, so I would take anything he said about the key with a grain of salt.

[mastae]

There are a lot of things that the Saw staff say to throw us off :P

[i_ate_his_liver]

I agree with you.
If they show us his body, we will be happy. We only want to know what happen to him, even if he is dead.

For sure. I need some fucking closure, man!

[Julia25]

Maybe the key is for something else and nothing that's connected with John's work, and it's just there to throw us off-guard. At least I hope that's the case.
Well, since he's not involved in Saw anymore I would say you're right.
Although he probably knows the Saw V script I would say...

[hotleighandcostas]

If they really would go that route with him then I hope they'll do it smart + creative, and not too predictable...;)


Oh I have no doubt that they can make it smart and creative. I mean, I'm only an aspiring screenwriter and I have TONS of ideas in my head about how Dr. G's return/ involvement with Jigsaw could play out. So I have faith that they writers can do it justice. I'm so excited about how it could all play out. Just imagining it sends chills down my spine.

Also, for those of you that think the Micheal head trap limping thing is proof, I'd disregard that. I think I remember on one of the commentaries it being explicitly stated that it wasn't Dr. G that put the key in his eye. Or at least implied. I do have hope for his return, but it doesn't have anything to do with that.

[tobinbellpwns]

the least i ask for is a dead corpse. but if they bring him back as an accomplice, i would be all for it. just as long as they execute it well.