Do you want the SAW franchise to come back to its roots?

[Vinc360]

The original SAW to me seemed more mysterious than any other movie in the series... that's one of the things I really like with SAW I.

Would you want SAW V to start in a way completely unexpected? With new characters and stuff? Like you don't know what's going on and almost every scene in the movie takes place in one room (a giant trap or even something completely different but not involving cops) and then everything is revealed at the end of the movie (connection to SAW IV storyline etc...)? Or would you prefer the cop/SWAT/Jigsaw apprentice/The games have just begun storyline for another movie?

[mihv]

I would ABSOLUTELY love for Saw to return to it's roots. One thing that Saw does when I watch it that the others don't is give me a genuine feeling of uncertainty which leads to tension in the best way. None of the other Saw films even came close to doing this, especially after multiple viewings. I also like the fact that Saw focused on very few characters, whereas the others focus on so many it's hard to have any sympathy for many of them, deeming them pretty much useless. It had the best soundtrack too, for the record. ;)

[sarahmichelle.x]

I would ABSOLUTELY love for Saw to return to it's roots. One thing that Saw does when I watch it that the others don't is give me a genuine feeling of uncertainty which leads to tension in the best way. None of the other Saw films even came close to doing this, especially after multiple viewings. I also like the fact that Saw focused on very few characters, whereas the others focus on so many it's hard to have any sympathy for many of them, deeming them pretty much useless. It had the best soundtrack too, for the record. ;)
This is exactly how I feel. Saw was just so raw, so brilliant. It really re-defined the genre at the time. I mean, it took risks, and they really paid off. With every Saw sequal, it just feels more and more Hollywood. I would love to have the Saw series return to it's roots. It would be amazing.

[Countess of Ole]

I'd love for them to go back to their roots, but they shouldn't just leave us hanging with the established storyline. That would kinda be the same thing as what they did with Jeff. Give us the impression that they're going to continue on with a given storyline and then completely blow that off with a random tangent. I'd like some feeling of closure please... then they can go back to their roots and be mysterious and awesome like the first one. :D

[mihv]

I'd love for them to go back to their roots, but they shouldn't just leave us hanging with the established storyline. That would kinda be the same thing as what they did with Jeff. Give us the impression that they're going to continue on with a given storyline and then completely blow that off with a random tangent. I'd like some feeling of closure please... then they can go back to their roots and be mysterious and awesome like the first one. :D

I agree and I don't. I think the way things are going, it would be a little odd to randomly switch back to old ways, however the idea that Saw will give any closure is a little hypocritical. Saw has never been about giving answers. It's been about giving questions and then making people think instead of giving them the luxury of closure.

[the_lucid_dreamer]

See... One reason I am excited for Saw 5 regardless is because now, I think, the story has gone back to being hard to predict.



The only characters we have left (thanks to Leigh and Darren massacring the rest! rofl.) is:

1. Hoffman, who's fate is unpredictable because he's got a dead man telling him to watch his ass. haha.

2. Corbett, who is a little girl trapped in a damn room for who knows how long.

3. Agent Strahm, who is trapped in the corpse filled room. Woo!





With there being 2/3 main characters that are still alive and apparently going to be part of the next movie, but at the same time are trapped somewhere, it just makes me think, "wow.... how the hell are they gonna play this one out...?"

Then again, there's Agent Perez, who's fate is unknown at the current. But you know if we see her name pop up in the cast again at some point, she's more than likely going to try and save Strahm. ...That is if she can even find the strength to get out of her hospital bed to get right on that shit.... She did get hurt pretty badly. Then there's Jigsaw's ex wife still running around, but she wants nothing to do with the whole matter. There are the other cops that worked with Hoffman, but apparently he deceives them [the very last scene Darren shot of Saw but never used].

So until they add a bunch of new people, the whole 5th movie is gonna be a big mystery for me until the premiere [or until they put out the synopsis at least... but even then...]. And for me, personally, it's like they're starting from scratch because they're going to have to have a shitload of new characters.



They can't go back and do another "parallel happening" thing again, so that's good.... (lol) I doubt there are gonna be anymore apprentices.... (unless Hoffman raises little Corbett to be the next one to take on the role............ I'm kidding of course, and hope to Vishnu they don't do that for real... my friend and I were just joking about that....)


And we know not-shit about Hoffman! We don't even know his first name! O_O


&&& new director, who's gonna [or should] be doing something different than the last three. cannot forget that factor.



So yeah, I'm pretty excited and I trust this next one. I don't think this one's gonna be too predictable like the last ones.










....the only thing I can find predictable of the final two Saw's is that Hoffman's ass is grass..... ;]]]

[specialed]

They can't go back and do another "parallel happening" thing again, so that's good.... (lol) I doubt there are gonna be anymore apprentices.... (unless Hoffman raises little Corbett to be the next one to take on the role............ I'm kidding of course, and hope to Vishnu they don't do that for real... my friend and I were just joking about that....)





actually, they can do a 'parallel happening' but it would be what happened in parallel with saw II.. who helped jigsaw set up the saw II house if amanda woke up drugged there too? how long has hoffman been involved? a lot of die hard saw fans want to see the trap house back in saw iv and the bathroom saved for vi

[the_lucid_dreamer]

actually, they can do a 'parallel happening' but it would be what happened in parallel with saw II.. who helped jigsaw set up the saw II house if amanda woke up drugged there too? how long has hoffman been involved? a lot of die hard saw fans want to see the trap house back in saw iv and the bathroom saved for vi


Very true........ damn, there goes that! rofl.

[MasterChief3624]

I don't know which option to choose.

"Back to its roots" to me means:

Minimal gore, a couple traps, and some incredible storytelling and plot twists.

Then again, SAW IV is helping the second SAW trilogy off to a fantastic start, so I'm not too worried about where it's heading right now. I trust David Hackl. He knows what he's doing :cool:

[Julia25]

The original SAW to me seemed more mysterious than any other movie in the series... that's one of the things I really like with SAW I.


Of course they should go back to the roots with Saw V, but the storyline must fit to the other Sawmovies then which is definitely not easy... Now after Saw IV they've shown another accomplize and much more so they can't go back to the roots without keeping these new things in mind.
But what I wanted to say is that I definitely don't agree with one of your poll-answers: No Way! I love the fact that the movies become more and more predictable! I don't think that Saw III was predictable, Saw IV maybe a bit. The only Saw which I found very predictable was Saw II and it's twist...That was very lame and predictable making Amanda being involved...But I still think that all the Sawmovies are unique and not so typical boring like a lot of other Horrormovies...

[the_lucid_dreamer]

I don't think that Saw III was predictable, Saw IV maybe a bit. The only Saw which I found very predictable was Saw II and it's twist...That was very lame and predictable making Amanda being involved...But I still think that all the Sawmovies are unique and not so typical boring like a lot of other Horrormovies...

I totally agree. That's how it was for me too. Saw III definitely surprised me. Saw IV actually surprised me too, but looking at it a second time I thought, "durr... i should have known that was going to happen."


The second one is my least favorite. The Second movie was the ONLY one that did not shock me like the others with it's ending. When Amanda was revealed, I remembered having a very flat reaction.

[Julia25]

I totally agree. That's how it was for me too. Saw III definitely surprised me. Saw IV actually surprised me too, but looking at it a second time I thought, "durr... i should have known that was going to happen."


The second one is my least favorite. The Second movie was the ONLY one that did not shock me like the others with it's ending. When Amanda was revealed, I remembered having a very flat reaction.

Yeah, I totally agree. I was so disappointed about Saw II's twist, really...
But with Saw III Leigh made another masterpiece which let me forget about this "misstep"which Saw II and it's twist definitely was for me...unfortunately...

[KillerZavatar]

i cannot answer that question because every saw movie had its good and bad sites imo:

1. best conversations and trapped feeling
2. the time twist and the bathroom return were more genius than most other scenes
3. best gore scenes and Jeff's path was just great
4. everything come to each other, the saving-part was just cool

[Koldfusion]

The only problem with this thread is that its a fantasy

[WT_Snacks]

if it's predicable then what's the point of the movie?

[lockedinabathroom]

Definitely went with yes.

if SAW V has standards anywhere near those of SAW I, i'll be immensely happy.

I'm not saying they should make it too similar because that would be repetitive. but they should definitely go back and use the good aspects and techniques of it.

[Jordana Divinorum]

I hope there's something about people being trapped together like Saw I and II. I could handle Saw III and IV being about individual games, but I hope they go back to the original theme.

[Stavros27]

The only 'twist' that I predicted while watching the Saw movies was that Lynn and Jeff were married. And I only thought that because I somehow didn't see the scene where Lynn's boytoy asked for a 'divroce'. Had I seen that, I wouldn't have put 2 and 2 together. I've loved all the twists in all the movies so far.

The only reason I didn't like II's ending as much was because John being on a tape at the end of the other 3 movies made the endings that much stronger. I realized it after watching the Saw II ending with Amanda on the tape, after seeing all the endings a bunch of times. It just doesn't have the same intensity feeling when Jigsaw isn't on the final tape.

[skychase2rebirth]

I said yes... but i really want to see longer traps and more traps where victims can move...

Troy can't, he was chained from everywhere

Kerry can't, she was hanging

Danica can't, same thing

Halden can't, stuck to the ground by the neck

Tim can't, arms, legs and head

Brenda can't, stuck on the chair

Rex and morgan can't, stuck together

Ivan can't, chained

Cecil can't, stuck by arms and legs

Hoffman and Matthews can't...

Art and Trevor were able to walk and fight... it's ok

[ianforcer]

The only problem with Saw V going back to its roots is the fact that David Hackl has been heavily influenced by DLB's directorial style so expect more of the same rather than a hark back to James Wan's masterpiece.

Of course he could come up trumps and surprise us all - that's what I'm holding out for.

[sarahmichelle.x]

I hope there's something about people being trapped together like Saw I and II. I could handle Saw III and IV being about individual games, but I hope they go back to the original theme.
YES YES YES YES!
This is how I feel!
I have total and complete faith in Dvid Hackl.
I think he will pull through for us.

[Big Lob]

Saw got bogged down in bad soap opera crap.

The first Saw, it felt like something that could happen to you or me or anyone. As it went on, it became more about Amanda's addiction, her need for revenge, or Jigsaw needing a talented surgeon (oh, we'll put her and her husband through tests also for kicks on the side). The soap opara aspect of the later Saw movies is a huge turnoff. The bumbling law enforcement as well.

[Koldfusion]

The only 'twist' that I predicted while watching the Saw movies was that Lynn and Jeff were married. And I only thought that because I somehow didn't see the scene where Lynn's boytoy asked for a 'divroce'. Had I seen that, I wouldn't have put 2 and 2 together. I've loved all the twists in all the movies so far.

The only reason I didn't like II's ending as much was because John being on a tape at the end of the other 3 movies made the endings that much stronger. I realized it after watching the Saw II ending with Amanda on the tape, after seeing all the endings a bunch of times. It just doesn't have the same intensity feeling when Jigsaw isn't on the final tape.


How did you NOT predict Hoffman was helping Jigsaw? I predicted that from the start of the movie

And that aside, the acting really hasnt been very great in the last two movies, especially SAW IV. I liked it better than SAW III, but the acting was still kinda bad.

[Cameron]

How did you NOT predict Hoffman was helping Jigsaw? I predicted that from the start of the movie


Simple. He wasn't here when Saw III was in theaters/released on DVD.

[DOJ]

I'd love for Saw V to be more in-tone with the first two Saws, and hope it will be while at the same time continuing the storyline.

[KillerZavatar]

I'd love for Saw V to be more in-tone with the first two Saws, and hope it will be while at the same time continuing the storyline.
that is why they have to bring the old locations back :p

[DOJ]

I think at the very least, a grand finale for Saw VI has to first occur in the Traphouse and then end in the bathroom.

[KillerZavatar]

I think at the very least, a grand finale for Saw VI has to first occur in the Traphouse and then end in the bathroom.
yeah that would be cool, but i just do not want for Saw VI. i want the cool things in Saw V or Saw VI wouzld be kickass and Saw V would suck and i do not want Saw V to suck

[DeadArtist]

I wont vote for any of those options given - cause they suck.

I want SAW V to bring something new and not include stuff we already had and it's also enough with the rigg-jeff thing... dont want to see that anymore.

[KillerZavatar]

I wont vote for any of those options given - cause they suck.

I want SAW V to bring something new and not include stuff we already had and it's also enough with the rigg-jeff thing... dont want to see that anymore.
yeah i second that; exactly what my feelings are. it has to stay fresh, but it has to bring the series together too

[DeadArtist]

yeah i second that; exactly what my feelings are. it has to stay fresh, but it has to bring the series together too
that's mor like it

[Stavros27]

How did you NOT predict Hoffman was helping Jigsaw? I predicted that from the start of the movie

And that aside, the acting really hasnt been very great in the last two movies, especially SAW IV. I liked it better than SAW III, but the acting was still kinda bad.

Can you truly say that you believed Hoffman was involved throughout the entire movie, though? Even after his 'capture', after seeing the concern on his face when Matthews would fall off the ice block, after seeing his flashback sticking up for Rigg when he punched Rex? And after he 'died' when Matthews got crushed, along with when the tape said that both he and Matthews were dead?

If so, then I'd give you a medal if I knew you.

[Julia25]

Can you truly say that you believed Hoffman was involved throughout the entire movie, though? Even after his 'capture', after seeing the concern on his face when Matthews would fall off the ice block, after seeing his flashback sticking up for Rigg when he punched Rex? And after he 'died' when Matthews got crushed, along with when the tape said that both he and Matthews were dead?

If so, then I'd give you a medal if I knew you.

I agree with you. But it's like the same with Saw II. There were a lot of clues (for example in Saw II Amanda's look on her face when Daniel wanted to tell her about his father, and in Saw IV the teddy Hoffman had in his arms) for which I did suspect them...;)

[TupperwareNinja]

I really can't answer this. I mean...personally. Saw 1 was extraordinary and unpredictable because it was the first of it's kind. As they expanded and grew up to the fifth movie, the fan base also grew. You began to analyze the movie as a result because it's your own game to play. It's unfair to accuse the new movies of being predictable considering sometimes, even absent mindedly, you can come to your own conclusions and be right. Some people go to great limits to disect the story and make every possible outcome for everyone to read.

So, I would like to answer that: I really enjoyed how Saw 4 brought some things back from the roots. For instance the ammount of detective vs. Villian. Sort of 2 on 1 and such. Saw 2 had that, yet it was a game between Eric and Jigsaw. So Saw 1 and Saw 4 are the only real detective vs. villian Saw movies so far, so there are 'roots' in there. Though I still find it unfair to accuse the new movies of being predictable through comparing them to the first of the series when you don't expect a thing.

[Ginny Weasley]

I would like to see it continue with the original story line. I think the information about John's life being explained more in full in Saw IV was interesting though. It explained why he started his work, and his reasoning behind it.

[Mephistopheles]

I have a feeling that a lot of Saw V is going to be a continuation of IV. We already know that a chunk of the movie is going to be about Jigsaw's past, and continue the subplots for Jill, Strahm and Hoffman (or maybe they'll only appear for five seconds before being shot--who knows). And for VI, since it's (hopefully) the conclusion to the series, it would be a bit of a disappointment to be a mostly stand-alone plot and have all the big reveals in the last ten minutes.

If anything, the chance to do an entirely fresh take on the series and go back to the core of what made the first so special, was in IV. Since John and Amanda were dead, the opportunity to do something completely different and then SHOCK the viewer was right there in the open. Now that door is closed and I'll be surprised if it gets opened again.

[Executive]

Each of the four films is very different in its own right. They've never done the same thing twice. I just hope that Saw V continues this pattern. I want Saw V to be its own thing, instead of feeling like Saw IV Pt. II with the same timing, pace and generally frantic nature.

[Mephistopheles]

Actually, the whole subplot with Rigg running into people in traps and given the choice to save them was pretty similar to Jeff's plot in Saw III, although there are obvious differences.

[Kez]

..since John and Amanda were dead, the opportunity to do something completely different and then SHOCK the viewer was right there in the open. Now that door is closed and I'll be surprised if it gets opened again.

What exactly did you have in mind?

I mean they're dead; short of them sitting up and shouting "Boo!", there's not much they can do. I mean i thought the fact they expect us to believe Jigsaw and Amanda managed to set up about 10 different traps to run concurrently is pretty shocking.

[The Kramer Project]

Each of the four films is very different in its own right. They've never done the same thing twice. I just hope that Saw V continues this pattern. I want Saw V to be its own thing, instead of feeling like Saw IV Pt. II with the same timing, pace and generally frantic nature.

Like Mephistopheles said below you, Riggs trap/test was very much like Jeff ,so technically we have actually had a 2 part movie ,Saw IV WAS Saw III pt2. Thats not me saying I'm disappointed in what they did ,but we do already kind of have a rehashed idea.
Regardless of that , I did like the more subtle and slow feel of Saw I which seemed to be fading gradually between Saw II and Saw IV. Anyway, Mr.Hackl is in the driving seat now, I'm sure hes gone back and studied the films a million times(despite working on them as well lol) I have great faith that new ground is going to be tread without losing the Saw-verse feel.

[Mephistopheles]

What exactly did you have in mind?

I mean they're dead; short of them sitting up and shouting "Boo!", there's not much they can do. I mean i thought the fact they expect us to believe Jigsaw and Amanda managed to set up about 10 different traps to run concurrently is pretty shocking.

I wasn't expecting them to come back alive. (Well, I did before I saw the autopsy clip on Fearnet...:()

My point was that if they wanted to take the series back to its roots, Saw IV would have been the best opportunity as Saw III was a logical end to the first "Act" of Saw if you will. Although there were a number of dangling plot ends, it wasn't like Saw II where the next film *had* to be about Amanda being Jigsaw's apprentice in some way. I can't see Saw V doing that with all the new plotlines IV started up.